Jon Moxley (Dean Ambrose) tells all on Chris Jericho's podcast

[GoddamnyamanProf]

What entitles these guys to have any "creative control"... an actor in a movie doesn't walk on set and start rearranging the entire script.

I don't think "scripts" are the problem... the problem is the person writing them (Vince)... but to act like everyone should be able to go out and just do whatever they want is gonna backfire.

Wrestling is not a movie. Its a completely different artform that relies heavily on live performance and improvisation, and it always has. The more recent WWE insistence on fully scripted promos has NEVER made sense. Plus they're not even well written and most of the talent dont have the chops to recite them believeably, PLUS they have like zero time to prepare before they'ee handed some bullshyt.

The lackluster result of all of these problems is what we witness week to week.

 

[Norrin Radd]

Hopefully this shyt goes viral to the point that Vince has to step down from creative for the love of god.

There's only one way Vince steps down

 

[Paper Boi]

Free Lio Rush

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

All those irrelevant strawmen have jackshyt to do with my point, dude

Wrestling is driven by the wrestlers. Yes, there needs to be a structure but the wrestlers also need input. Some dude with a script can't tell a wrestler what's going through their mind. They're not regular everyday actors. The basic shyt that makes wrestling work is driven from wrestler's brains and personalities, not 800 writers trying to copy mainstream TV.

All you need is a booker and a couple of writers to keep shyt organized and tell the wrestlers to do their thing.

In 2019 wrestlers 2019 ARE actors.. kayfabe is dead. They are playing a character on screen, and off screen they are someone different. Chris Jericho on AEW is not the same Chris Jericho hosting a podcast or selling you tickets on his cruise. You NEED to have some scripting because other wise, who is policing what anyone does? Who is in charge?

There is a fine line between having a structured television show and letting it be the wild west where everyone does what they want. That's not how it works in any form of entertainment. You follow a script and a structure for your character. I don't think the issue in WWE is the writers. The issue is Vince.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

Wrestling was built on a lot of shyt 50 years ago that has no relevance today. Babyfaces used to not be seen in public with heels, now they go on podcast with a dude they just attacked 3 days later and shoot the shyt. It's a different world.

When you have to book 2-5 hours of TV every week and try to string together characters/storylines, etc. you can't have ppl doing whatever the fukk they want. Some scripting is fine, the problem is the old man signing off or driving the direction of the scripts.

You need that some structure and you need that final say. I'm not saying it should be Vince anymore, but it needs to be someone. That was the one thing all the WCW dudes said when they left, was nobody knew who was running the show and who to go to. In WWE for better or worse you know its Vince. In AEW if Ambrose wants to do some shyt, who does he run it by? Does he just do whatever he wants? Does Jericho have to get something approved by fukkin Matt Jackson? Does Tony Khan have the balls to tell a established dude like Ambrose or Jericho that he doesn't like their idea?

That's the kinda trouble you run into when you talk about "Creative freedom" and shyt like that... it sounds great on paper, but when you get to the reality of it, shyt can get sticky real quick.

fukkin Matt Jackson is one of the exec vice presidents and creators of the entire thing, so yeah probably. But they also know Jericho well enough and trust him to come up withbhis own shyt and it'll be good. Im sure most of that promo he cut after the main event was his own work and it was fukkin great.

 

[Francis White]

That’s all fine and well for ambrose.. but u think Renee would be cool with living in the middle of nowhere? She doesn’t strike me as that type.

Huh? She is married to him and they live in Vegas. Why now would she want to leave? This post makes zero sense.

 

[Playaz Eyez]

All those irrelevant strawmen have jackshyt to do with my point, dude

Wrestling is driven by the wrestlers. Yes, there needs to be a structure but the wrestlers also need input. Some dude with a script can't tell a wrestler what's going through their mind. They're not regular everyday actors. The basic shyt that makes wrestling work is driven from wrestler's brains and personalities, not 800 writers trying to copy mainstream TV.

All you need is a booker and a couple of writers to keep shyt organized and tell the wrestlers to do their thing.

Vince and Co wanted Mason The Mutilator and Fang McFrost, meanwhile Scott Hall came up with Razor Ramon and Crow Sting. I’ll most definitely bank on the wrestlers ideas themselves vs Vince and multiple out of touch writers

 

[FunkDoc1112]

delete

 

[FunkDoc1112]

In 2019 wrestlers 2019 ARE actors.. kayfabe is dead. They are playing a character on screen, and off screen they are someone different. Chris Jericho on AEW is not the same Chris Jericho hosting a podcast or selling you tickets on his cruise. You NEED to have some scripting because other wise, who is policing what anyone does? Who is in charge?

There is a fine line between having a structured television show and letting it be the wild west where everyone does what they want. That's not how it works in any form of entertainment. You follow a script and a structure for your character. I don't think the issue in WWE is the writers. The issue is Vince.

Again....what does any of this have to do with central point ? Kayfabe has Jack shyt to do with what wrestlers are and they're capabilities and in fact the blurred lines between kayfabe and real life make it even DOUBLY stupid to micromanage their characters because wrestlers have way more outlets to do their own shyt and inject their real characters into everything.

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

There's a fine line. You do need someone or at least two-three people with their eye to the larger story and making sure it's always headed in that direction unless you need to call an audible. But having guys who aren't wrestlers write wrestling promos for guys who know how to do it leads to ruin. And having to go through to much red tape to get any creative decision made also leads to ruin.

I don't believe Jon or anyone believes they'll be able to do "whatever they want" in AEW, but they will more freedom to be in a streamlined creative process. WWF/E thrived on a streamlined process. There's too many cooks in the kitchen now and the head chef thinks vaccinations will get you heat.

I agree with too many cooks in the kitchen, but the bolded part.. we have no idea how AEW will be. Right now you got about 7 different "EVP" and one owner, plus a couple of main event players who are more established than the "EVP" dudes. So how does that work? It's all fun and games when you've only had to book 1 PPV, but how does that shyt start to work when you gotta book 2 hours of TV every single week and dudes start getting slotted into certain spots on the card?

I don't see why having writers script something for a wrestler is any different than having writers do a script for any other actor.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

Damn we've really got the WWE stooges circling the wagons on here in the last few days. A lot of posters exposing themselves up in this bytch

One of the unforseen side effects of AEW's launch...

Stooging season has returned

 

[MartyMcFly]

I agree with too many cooks in the kitchen, but the bolded part.. we have no idea how AEW will be. Right now you got about 7 different "EVP" and one owner, plus a couple of main event players who are more established than the "EVP" dudes. So how does that work? It's all fun and games when you've only had to book 1 PPV, but how does that shyt start to work when you gotta book 2 hours of TV every single week and dudes start getting slotted into certain spots on the card?

I don't see why having writers script something for a wrestler is any different than having writers do a script for any other actor.

It comes down to who the writers are and writers believing they know your character better than you do. That's the issue.

 

[Francis White]

Damn we've really got the WWE stooges circling the wagons on here in the last few days. A lot of posters exposing themselves up in this bytch

Right I swear Kevin Dunn is posting on here with these pro WWE takes.

 

[Buggsy Mogues]

Again....what does any of this have to do with central point ? Kayfabe has Jack shyt to do with what wrestlers are and they're capabilities and in fact the blurred lines between kayfabe and real life make it even DOUBLY stupid to micromanage their characters because wrestlers have way more outlets to do their own shyt and inject their real characters into everything.

What exactly is your central point? Is memorizing a script beyond the capabilities of a wrestler?

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

The best part of that is that I can't actually tell if it's a joke or not