Jon Moxley (Dean Ambrose) tells all on Chris Jericho's podcast
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that Father's Day ad though.
FunkDoc1112
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Wrestling was built on guys having creative freedom for 50 years until the success of the Attitude era gave Vince, Dunn, and co. the delusions of being creative geniuses who could compete with real television.
Wrestling thrives on crazy, individual personalities and absurdity, it can't do what regular TV does nor should it try. A bunch of hollywood washouts writing overwraught, clunky scripts creates a product that is unappealing to wrestling fans and laughably bad to everyone else.
Sure, some of the guys who are bad talkers probably need to be spoonfed scripts but that's what managers and mouthpieces are for. If them dudes can't talk they damn shole can't act either
But Vince hates managers for some stupid reason
So this was a great listen. Mostly because it's always good to hear someone get shyt off their chest when you can tell it's been building and building. He was miserable there and we know he's not the only one. Vince's creative process is a mess. The fact Vince believed the doctor shyt or the gas mask shyt would get him "heat" says so many troubling things about WWE and its immediate future.
On a separate but related note, ESPN and The Wrap picked this up. Those are outlets that go beyond the typical dirt sheets; mainstream outlets. That's one more bad news cycle for them. Since last Saturday, they've had bad news cycles. Whether it was AEW getting the spotlight Saturday and Sunday, or Raw being a mess Monday--with the only thing of note being AEW related--and Smackdown being a ripple in an ocean. And everyday this week, the AEW related news has been either positive for AEW or negative for WWE.
Their press team needs to get it together ASAP and do something. But ultimately, its on the product. If the product was better, they could more easily withstand the bad news cycles. Not to mention, they got the Saudi show coming up.
With this podcast and the attention its getting, can't see Sasha or Luke or anyone being released anytime soon. Vince just became Alonzo from Training Day, and he's putting taxes on everyone
On a separate but related note, ESPN and The Wrap picked this up. Those are outlets that go beyond the typical dirt sheets; mainstream outlets. That's one more bad news cycle for them. Since last Saturday, they've had bad news cycles. Whether it was AEW getting the spotlight Saturday and Sunday, or Raw being a mess Monday--with the only thing of note being AEW related--and Smackdown being a ripple in an ocean. And everyday this week, the AEW related news has been either positive for AEW or negative for WWE.
Their press team needs to get it together ASAP and do something. But ultimately, its on the product. If the product was better, they could more easily withstand the bad news cycles. Not to mention, they got the Saudi show coming up.
With this podcast and the attention its getting, can't see Sasha or Luke or anyone being released anytime soon. Vince just became Alonzo from Training Day, and he's putting taxes on everyone
Playaz Eyez
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Dean’s never been a good wrestler solo wise. Bless AJ Styles’ heart, but even he was barely able to get a good match out of him.
Even Dean knew the vaccine skit was basura 
g-ice
aka #DiamondNightmare
Well, can't really argue with anything he said. 
Hopefully this shyt goes viral to the point that Vince has to step down from creative for the love of god.
Hopefully this shyt goes viral to the point that Vince has to step down from creative for the love of god.
JerseyBoy23
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Damn we've really got the WWE stooges circling the wagons on here in the last few days. A lot of posters exposing themselves up in this bytch
Hope they at least getting checks in the mail from Stamford.
cartierhoe
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Listening to it now, read some cliffs posted in this thread. But we all knew it from the jump, the product on tv is shyt because the way they're treated backstage is shyt.
Salute to Jon, reminds me of the classic Punk shoot with Cabana
Salute to Jon, reminds me of the classic Punk shoot with Cabana
Wrestling was built on guys having creative freedom for 50 years until the success of the Attitude era gave Vince, Dunn, and co. the delusions of being creative geniuses who could compete with real television.
Wrestling thrives on crazy, individual personalities and absurdity, it can't do what regular TV does nor should it try. A bunch of hollywood washouts writing overwraught, clunky scripts creates a product that is unappealing to wrestling fans and laughably bad to everyone else.
Sure, some of the guys who are bad talkers probably need to be spoonfed scripts but that's what managers and mouthpieces are for. If them dudes can't talk they damn shole can't act either
Wrestling was built on a lot of shyt 50 years ago that has no relevance today. Babyfaces used to not be seen in public with heels, now they go on podcast with a dude they just attacked 3 days later and shoot the shyt. It's a different world.
When you have to book 2-5 hours of TV every week and try to string together characters/storylines, etc. you can't have ppl doing whatever the fukk they want. Some scripting is fine, the problem is the old man signing off or driving the direction of the scripts.
You need that some structure and you need that final say. I'm not saying it should be Vince anymore, but it needs to be someone. That was the one thing all the WCW dudes said when they left, was nobody knew who was running the show and who to go to. In WWE for better or worse you know its Vince. In AEW if Ambrose wants to do some shyt, who does he run it by? Does he just do whatever he wants? Does Jericho have to get something approved by fukkin Matt Jackson?
Does Tony Khan have the balls to tell a established dude like Ambrose or Jericho that he doesn't like their idea?That's the kinda trouble you run into when you talk about "Creative freedom" and shyt like that... it sounds great on paper, but when you get to the reality of it, shyt can get sticky real quick.
"90 percent John Mcclaine from Die Hard" fukking Vince man
"Die Who?"
FunkDoc1112
Heavily Armed
All those irrelevant strawmen have jackshyt to do with my point, dudeWrestling was built on a lot of shyt 50 years ago that has no relevance today. Babyfaces used to not be seen in public with heels, now they go on podcast with a dude they just attacked 3 days later and shoot the shyt. It's a different world.
When you have to book 2-5 hours of TV every week and try to string together characters/storylines, etc. you can't have ppl doing whatever the fukk they want. Some scripting is fine, the problem is the old man signing off or driving the direction of the scripts.
You need that some structure and you need that final say. I'm not saying it should be Vince anymore, but it needs to be someone. That was the one thing all the WCW dudes said when they left, was nobody knew who was running the show and who to go to. In WWE for better or worse you know its Vince. In AEW if Ambrose wants to do some shyt, who does he run it by? Does he just do whatever he wants? Does Jericho have to get something approved by fukkin Matt Jackson?
That's the kinda trouble you run into when you talk about "Creative freedom" and shyt like that... it sounds great on paper, but when you get to the reality of it, shyt can get sticky real quick.
Wrestling is driven by the wrestlers. Yes, there needs to be a structure but the wrestlers also need input. Some dude with a script can't tell a wrestler what's going through their mind. They're not regular everyday actors. The basic shyt that makes wrestling work is driven from wrestler's brains and personalities, not 800 writers trying to copy mainstream TV.
All you need is a booker and a couple of writers to keep shyt organized and tell the wrestlers to do their thing.
Wrestling was built on a lot of shyt 50 years ago that has no relevance today. Babyfaces used to not be seen in public with heels, now they go on podcast with a dude they just attacked 3 days later and shoot the shyt. It's a different world.
When you have to book 2-5 hours of TV every week and try to string together characters/storylines, etc. you can't have ppl doing whatever the fukk they want. Some scripting is fine, the problem is the old man signing off or driving the direction of the scripts.
You need that some structure and you need that final say. I'm not saying it should be Vince anymore, but it needs to be someone. That was the one thing all the WCW dudes said when they left, was nobody knew who was running the show and who to go to. In WWE for better or worse you know its Vince. In AEW if Ambrose wants to do some shyt, who does he run it by? Does he just do whatever he wants? Does Jericho have to get something approved by fukkin Matt Jackson?
That's the kinda trouble you run into when you talk about "Creative freedom" and shyt like that... it sounds great on paper, but when you get to the reality of it, shyt can get sticky real quick.
There's a fine line. You do need someone or at least two-three people with their eye to the larger story and making sure it's always headed in that direction unless you need to call an audible. But having guys who aren't wrestlers write wrestling promos for guys who know how to do it leads to ruin. And having to go through to much red tape to get any creative decision made also leads to ruin.
I don't believe Jon or anyone believes they'll be able to do "whatever they want" in AEW, but they will more freedom to be in a streamlined creative process. WWF/E thrived on a streamlined process. There's too many cooks in the kitchen now and the head chef thinks vaccinations will get you heat.