Kareem is definitely in convo for #2 but recency hurts him like it will Lebron.
If you think otherwise, you're in for a long decade.
Jokic would have 5-6 rings if he played with Wade,Bosh,KD, Klay etc…
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Kareem is definitely in convo for #2 but recency hurts him like it will Lebron.
If you think otherwise, you're in for a long decade.
If there's anyone who will challenge a Top 2 OAT position, it won't be this decade.
Trojan 24
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its entertaining watching yall go through the 5 stages of grief
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There's no 5 stages. That cycle simply doesn't occur that quickly.
UpAndComing
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Give him Wade and Bosh and he running off 5 straight
Easily
Trojan 24
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Wade slashing to the hoop, Bosh working the mid range and post, Jokic controlling the flow. Who needs a ball headed fakkit pounding the rock all day
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MoshpitMazi
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Jokic with Wade and Bosh would be some good fukking basketball.Give him Wade and Bosh and he running off 5 straight
UpAndComing
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Wade slashing to the hoop, Bosh working the mid range and post, Jokic controlling the flow. Who needs a ball headed fakkit pounding the rock all day
Lol and breh can you imagine on the defensive end? Jokic manning the paint, Bosh help defender, Wade being the best shot blocker for a guard. Unstoppable
Triangle offense running thru Jokic with Kobe, Horry, Fisher, Fox...
Going up against Rasho Nesterovic, Ervin Johnson, and Eric Dampier
SymbolicOne09
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Hes got a good chance to enter the goat convo if he 3peats. If he doesnt but ends up with 4 rings thats a convo too 
Can't look at it from simply a 2024 lens. Gotta go year by year. Place rookie Bron on the 2015-16 Nuggets, which was Joker's rookie year.
Forget winning a ring, they wouldn't even get out of the West.
2016. Do they beat OKC or 73-9 GS? No.
2017. Do they beat Houston or GS who added KD? No.
2018. Do they beat Houston or GS? No.
2019. Do they beat GS (Before season ending injuries to Klay and KD because it happened in the Finals)? No.
2020. Do they beat the Clippers or Lakers? No. MPJ is a bench player recovering from injury, KCP plays for LA, Gordon plays for Orlando
2021. Do they beat Phoenix? No. Murray is out of the playoffs due to injury.
2022. Do they beat GS? No. Murray and MPJ are out of the playoffs due to injury
Bron took Cleveland to the Finals in 07, which was his 4th season. Joker's 4th season was the 2018-2019, which was his first playoff appearance. Bron and the Nuggets would've ran into the Dubs.
07 Bron isn't beating KD, Steph, Klay, Draymond and Iggy with:
Young Murray
Garry Harris
Will Barton
Paul Millsap
Gordon, KCP, Reggie Jackson, DeAndre Jordan all played elsewhere. MPJ was a rookie that didn't play due to back issues.
2023 (Joker's first title). Do they beat Miami? Who knows because ironically that season lines up with Bron's first year in Miami. If the same Bron that showed up in the 2011 Finals against Dallas shows up against Jimmy and the Heat in 2023, there's a good chance they get sent packing.
Can't simply swap Bron and Joker without taking on the flaws of the Cavs and Nuggets. Tbf, Joker isn't winning in Cleveland back then either.
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I went year by year, and I didn't disregard the flaws of either team.
I know '07 Bron = '19 Jokic. I'm simply stating that whar Bron did with a team as bad as '07 Cleveland should warrant more faith in what he can do with something better. I already know that doesn't beat Golden State.
2020 is the year I heavily disagree on. '20 Nuggets is still better than what Y5, or 2008 LeBron, had. You're telling me who didn't play for Denver, but 24 year old Cyborg LeBron now plays for the Nuggets, and his older counterpart is absent from Lakers. Nobody in the bracket is better.
AD has proven he's not Batman, there's a great chance he doesn't even lead the Lakers to the West Finals without LeBron. He doesn't lead them a 52-19 record and #1 seed either. Bron & Murray with their supporting cast gets out of the West and beats the Heat.
'11 Bron being on the '23 Nuggets also means A) Miami's defense doesn't necessarily have the same plan/effectiveness as Dallas, and B) Bron doesn't see someone as his equal wearing his colors and isn't too comfortable with being #2 for a series. As explosive as Playoff Murray can be, he's not (end of) Prime Wade. Year 8 LeBron is more likely to impose his will on the series.
I have a young Bron winning 2020 and 2023.
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