Jokic is really about to be a 3peat MVP
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The last person to get 3 in a row was Bird it’s not a coincidence, all of a sudden offensive contribution is the only thing that matters in whos the more valuable player, and apparently being without your 2nd best player for the majority of the season while still maintaining a better record than the leading MVP candidate doesn’t matter either.
Jokic has had a great year but him being so ahead of Giannis in those media votes it’s more than just about basketball.
Jokic has had a great year but him being so ahead of Giannis in those media votes it’s more than just about basketball.
Ganso Bomb
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Quit lying you stupid bytch. Giannis made it out the first round both MVP years and made the conference Finals the first year. Only MVP flaming out in the first round is that fat fukk Jokic
Why doesn't this 'bad taste' shyt also apply to Jokic? Tim McMahon straight up said him and other voters weren't gonna give it to Giannis in 2021 because he hadn't won a title, so where's the consistency?
It’s over brother. He is going to win his 3rd mvp.
The second round*.
The point still remains, he played about as bad as a superstar possibly could against the Heat in 2020. I remember all the talk during that series about how he didn't deserve to win MVP purely because of how badly he played in that series, and that affected his MVP chances the following season. Jokic has been arguably been the best playoff performer over the last few seasons, and hasn't flamed out like Giannis did in 2020. If he did, then voters would be a lot more reluctant to give him a third.
That 2020 series against the Heat was so bad you had folks questioning if Giannis was ever going to be a superstar again.
MVP has always been about offensive contribution. What the fukk do you mean "all of a sudden"? Are you going to tell me Harden and Westbrook won MVP because of their defense? By default, the MVP is seen as the most valuable offensive player. That's why there's a DPOY and not a OPOY.
Giannis was having arguably his worst season since rising to stardom, up until like 10 games ago. He doesn't have a greater argument than Jokic as it now stands. Embiid is the only player that is comparable, and you could make an argument for Tatum. Nobody was even talking about Giannis for MVP over the first third of the season. It was only Jokic vs. Embiid, now suddenly folks have snuck Giannis in the backdoor on the conversation and stopped arguing for Embiid.
It's painfully transparent.
Straw Hat Luffy
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Let’s be honest
Nobody really angry besides the coli
Lol
Nobody really angry besides the coli
Lol
Breh he had a few games slump but it’s impossible to average 32.5 ppg if you haven’t had a consistent season, literally impossible. He’s less than a point away from having the most points per game, has the most rebounds per game and has the 2nd best record in the East, a better record than Nuggets without having his 2nd best player all season.
Anyone trying to paint him as not having a great seasons is wrong, it’s always been Tatum Giannis Jokic Luka Embiid has the front runners, he’s last 10 games have just propelled him from the pack to 2nd which is how it should work.
Check Twitter people act like the posters on the coli aren’t real people, just some militant bots lol.
No goalposts have been moved. He's deserved it for the last two seasons, and if wins again, he'll no doubt deserve it again.
He played in more wins than both Embiid and Giannis last season, and he did it without his #2 and #3 options - there isn't an argument that Embiid or Giannis had that was greater than that.
Nobody is calling out any goal-post moving (because there isn't any), they're just mad at a fat Euro for dominating the league. Y'all would have a different type of energy if it was someone named Jamal Jones, who was born and bred in Queens. Everyone would be praising him for ushering in a Big man renaissance, and he'd be TheColi's favorite player. His MVPs would be celebrated and not torn apart and ridiculed.
Too many grown ass men on this board who can't just talk hoops, they gotta bring whatever insecurities they have to the table too.
The narrative last year is he carried them and deserved it for getting them to a 6th seed. Now obviously Jrue is better than anybody on that team that he played with last year. But why isn’t that narrative going strong for Giannis as he’s been carrying the bucks without Middleton. That’s what people are calling out. You know better than this dawg. People are complaining about every year the media sets a narrative that lines up Jokic as the favorite.
Being the 1 seed matters now but it didn’t for Joel two years ago. Now carrying a roster isn’t good enough for Giannis but it was the qualification to win MVP last year. No matter where the media moves the criteria Jokic fits.
Giannis over the first third of the season -
Shooting 25% on all shots (besides at the rim)
54 eFG% - lowest since 2017 (to put into perspective Jokic has a 66 eFG%)
58 TS% - lowest since 2016 (to put into perspective Jokic has a 70 TS%)
65 FT% - second-lowest of his career
40 percentile for halfcourt scoring.
Efficiency matters, and Giannis has been anything but efficient.
He's only averaging 32 points purely because of how many shots he's putting up.
A lot of that had to do with the extra defensive attention he's been getting without Middleton, and that affected his play. He simply struggled to generate consistent offense in the halfcourt on the regular - I've made note of this many a time this season. Embiid and Jokic have both been definitively more consistent, like it's not even remotely close. Giannis has been great over the last 10 or so games, but his season has to be weighed in its entirety.
And here's another thing -
Only 32% of his rebounds have been contested this season, that means an overwhelming majority of the rebounds he's been getting have been clear-outs, with nobody in the vicinity. His rebounding this season hasn't been impactful as you're led to believe. Compare that to players who lead the league in contested rebounding:
AD - 7 per game (56% contested rebound rate)
Adams - 6.3 per game (55% contested rebound rate)
Capela - 5.7 per game (51% contested rebound rate)
Robinson - 5.6 per game (62% contested rebound rate)
Jokic - 5.4 per game (47% contested rebound rate).
Giannis isn't even in the top-20 for contested rebounds, and yet is leading the league in rebounds. Go figure.
For the purposes of this argument, he hasn't had a season as great as Jokic and Embiid. Not comparable, in my opinion. The aforementioned two have simply been more dominant and impactful, and on a more consistent basis.