They are NOT Giannis' awards. This is something that you've just conjured up in your head and not reflective of reality. They are the awards of whoever is deserving of them, and meeting that bar is going to be different every season. See, you already come into each season with this confirmation bias that they should be Giannis', so naturally, you've going to manipulate and shift the criteria to where it fits him and only him, and not one that is by any objective scale.
Jokic is really about to be a 3peat MVP
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I don’t care what the media thinks about who is the best player. It was pretty clear during the playoff run that Booker was the best suns player. And if you think a guy is deserving of 1st team all-nba which Book was..why can’t he win MVP? I mean they’re clearly saying he’s a top 5 guy that season but he can’t win MVP?
See our disagreement resides in the fact that you think my disdain is towards Joker. It’s not..it’s aimed at the media constantly moving the goalposts or criteria to fit him.
We literally saw voter fatigue and people say he had to make a finals run as a reason Giannis couldn’t win 3 in a row. Did we not Gil?
As far as Joel I’m just calling it how I see it brother. I watched the media say Ben didn’t deserve DPOY for perimeter & POA defense but then a year later give it to Marcus Smart. Jo and our guys won’t get their credit I’m at peace with that.
Well, unfortunately, it does. They're the ones who vote for the MVP.
You say the media is constantly moving the goalposts, but you still haven't acknowledged the fact they applied the same reasoning to the Warriors back in 2017 when they won 67 games and neither Steph nor KD won MVP, or were even in the top-5 for voting. Exact same situation to CP3 and Booker. If two players are seen on relatively equal terms in regards to team success, they're going to affect one another's MVP chances. I just referenced multiple links where CP3 was seen as the guy on MVP lists, and not Booker, but now you're kicking up dust all because they didn't give the MVP to a guy who was seen as the Suns' best player for only 30-40% of the season?
Make it make sense.
An entirely different set of circumstances.
Giannis shytted the bed in the Bubble in ways we've never seen, coming off back-to-back MVPs - it was one of the worst, if not the worst, playoff performance from a MVP, and that would've left a foul taste in the mouth of those who voted for him. Whereas Jokic has been arguably the best and most consistent playoff performer over the last few seasons, so folks are going to be less reluctant to use his past playoff exits against him heading into the succeeding season.
And ultimately, the only true obstacle coming between Jokic and a third will be voter fatigue. He's going to have to go beyond both his MVP seasons, and perform to a greater level than all other candidates to win. If there's any other player that's on the same level (that hasn't won before), he'll likely end up losing to them.
You're my guy, but you know this is the Philly fan in you coming out.
Smart really only won because Draymond got injured (who was the runaway pick), and he was seen as the leader of the #1 defense. That's not to say Smart wasn't deserving, but he was more a beneficiary of there not being any standout candidate once Draymond went down. Being the face of the #1 defense got him over the line. Again, you can't compare that to what happened with Ben as they're different seasons with different candidates.
You throw that version of Ben into the 2022 season with the same impact/results and he probably would've won.
Tony D'Amato
It's all about the inches
This guy will singlehandedly devalue this era. He'd be food in the 90s
this is why it never made sense that nikkas who stan Dame are crying about help. Cuz jokic has yet to have an All-star teammate and the nuggets are considered contenders with MPJ and Jamal Murray healthy
Tony D'Amato
It's all about the inches
Compared to mvps tho. Dream woulda destroyed him. Robinson tooRik Smits was an all-star in the 90s. Jokic is still gonna eat in that era.
Let me give you historical context since you seem to act like that doesn't matteer when it absolutely does.
There has been 3 b2b2b MVPs in the leagues 75 year history.
Wilt
Russel
Bird
When MR Russel won in 61,62 and 63 the Celtics avg 58 wins a year and 3 peated.
When Wilt won in 66, 67 and 68 they avg 62 wins a year and argubly had the greatest team ever in the 67 Sixers. They lost twice to the dynasty celtics
I already explained the crazy shyt bird did in his 3 year run
For joker to be in this company it has to be both individual & TEAM success
In The Zone '98
Superstar
Right his favorite player ever Steph had to avg 70 FUKKING win B2B MVPs
I've already explained this to you and you never responded when your shyt was debunked -
Jokic is ONLY competing against the players in the specific year he's participating in. He only needs to do enough to beat them. He's not competing against the likes of Wilt, Bill and Bird, when will you grasp this simple concept?
Neither of you two know what the fukk you're talking about.
Jokic doesn't need to average x-amount of wins, he just needs to beat out his competition during that season. It's got nothing to do with who I like or dislike - it is reality. Jokic isn't competing against Bird, Bill, Wilt or whoever the fukk else you wanna bring up. Whoever has the best argument for MVP deserves to win. They don't have to get 50, 60, 70 wins, or make it to the Finals or any of this arbitrary nonsense. They just need to be the best for that [regular] season.
UNDERSTAND THAT.
I like Jokic. There is no doubt he is a good and great player.
But he is CLEARLY given a pass by the media.
He can be the MVP and be allowed to fail. Meanwhile Giannis was catching MAJOR HEAT after losing in 2019 and 2020 despite being the MVP.
People want to say he (Jokic) is the best player in the league but then suddenly don't want to attach best player in the league expectations to him in terms of team success in the post season.
This is clearly the issue people have and it's a fair one.
But he is CLEARLY given a pass by the media.
He can be the MVP and be allowed to fail. Meanwhile Giannis was catching MAJOR HEAT after losing in 2019 and 2020 despite being the MVP.
People want to say he (Jokic) is the best player in the league but then suddenly don't want to attach best player in the league expectations to him in terms of team success in the post season.
This is clearly the issue people have and it's a fair one.
Where the fukk is the Wilt and Bill this season who're racking up 60+ wins @In The Zone '98 and @Jplaya2023? Where are these players that Jokic is competing against for the MVP?