Joe Biden says Latinos are the nations future

[sfgiants]

yes racism in latin america plays out differently than in the US. ive said that many times

the rest of your stuff is gibberish

whatever the hell is going on in the philipines the salient point is that filipino culture is a very color conscious and our people get shytted on, namely these people Black Filipinos "Los Negritos" - YouTube get shytted on

and if you knew anything about the philipines or mexico you would know, or are ignoring that they are very proud of their european heritage

i think its laughable that you would try to distinguish racism from the cast system of india, but again whatever academic difference there, and i actually agree that technically speaking they are differences, i fail to see how that would answer the question as to why a black person in the united states would want to replace white american racism with somebody who comes from a culture that has a caste system? color consciousness is deeply ingrained in all of the countries you mentioned

so there is no logical reason to think that if you replaced white american culture with filipino culture that somehow that would be beneficial to black people and the same goes for india and mexico

simply accentuating white racism is not addressing the salient point, we already know the white man is the devil, im just saying there are more devils out there

u need to chill, i never even implied any of these things in what i posted

i havent even posted anything in support of supplanting the current racist white system with any other system, so you're jumping to conclusions buddy

 

[Topps]

Racism against Mexicans exposed - YouTube

^does this mean blacks in general are racist towards mexicans?

no because 1. blacks in the U.S can't be racist, by definition and 2. in simpler terms this is a case of one black dude being an imbecile

will you conclude from this video that blacks are "racist" towards all mexicans (and lets be frank, this black dude beating the sht out of a mexican dude with a bat is a lot worse than vicente fox saying black people wont do the jobs mexican immigrants will)? i mean clearly there is some sort of hatred there that would lead that guy to beat the sht out of someone like that, no?
... that guy isnt racist. he's an idiot.

The point is breh, a President represent a whole country. The majority of the people in the country believed in his views

A President is not some regular Joe of the street.

 

[sfgiants]

The point is breh, a President represent a whole country. The majority of the people in the country believed in his views

A President is not some regular Joe of the street.

and he also represents the views of mexican american citizens, U.S born mexicans that can be president one day?

 

[Topps]

and he also represents the views of mexican american citizens, U.S born mexicans that can be president one day?

If that the case, then why didn't we see any Mexican American organization speak up against his remarks?

But we see Al Shapton and Jessie protesting for Mexican Americans cause.

 

[newarkhiphop]

If that the case, then why didn't we see any Mexican American organization speak up against his remarks?

But we see Al Shapton and Jessie protesting for Mexican Americans cause.

Because the comment was taken out of context , people took the comment as him saying that blacks don't want to work at all , when what he said is that Mexican immigrants are willing to do a job that blacks wont for whatever reason

 

[AAKing23]

I'm from socal born and raised.

in the early 90s we had the numbers over them and it was generally peaceful. you had some bullying but also they were welcomed into the neighborhood just like ricans in nyc (they were there at the start of hiphop) by the late 90s and early 00s it just shifted dramatically. places that were 75/25 became 30/70 in a decade. I watched it all go down with my own eyes.

It starts off a bit like the Jews in Israel. they move in lay low while slowly increasing their numbers. once they have enough they hire ONLY each other and give housing preferably to themselves. I remember seeing ads 'Spanish friendly' pretty much meant you were going into a complex with majority Hispanics and the manager was going to trash your app.

Racism starts to kick in when the number tilt. you start hearing mayate more often, you start hearing about racist brothers and fathers when dating. usually the mentality is brought from their parent from Mexico as Latin America has issues. second gen that grow up around blacks are almost never racist but its the ones that came after the shift in numbers that tend to have extreme tribalism. I've dated loads and I means LOADS of latinas and every single one has told me that their previous ex has asked if they dated a black man or if one good looking one passes them by they grip them tighter and make a sure to check them. there's a lot of machismo in the culture and 6'2 tyrone is subconscious threat. when is the last time you asked a black woman if she's dated latino ? Black peoples biggest threat are black people. its like putting a pack of alphas in one cage. its a disaster. one of the reasons we can never have a strong structured criminal organization (name one as organized as the mexican mafia or AB present day not pastance ill wait)

On a different note. socal has seen whites and blacks come closer. since blacks can't get jobs and apts in their old hood they aim for the burbs. Black people need fire under their ass before they get up and push weight. the influx and income increase with socal blacks is a direct response to the blue collar lower paying jobs getting stripped.

The rest of the country see socal nikkas as nerdy or more formal...but really we just dropped the bloods and crip let it go to the cholos and moved to the burbs with the whites. crazy how we went from nwa to odd future. I'm actually glad our neighborhoods are associated with burbs and instead of guns our youth skateboard.

There's still places like watts that's hanging in but give it a decade.....

Cosign at the bolded.




Damn near every latina female I've met has told me that her father doesn't like black men and would disown her if she dated one.




Hispanic dudes be having alotta animosity in their hearts towards black dudes in my experiences.

 

[Topps]

Because the comment was taken out of context , people took the comment as him saying that blacks don't want to work at all , when what he said is that Mexican immigrants are willing to do a job that others wont for whatever reason

He clearly said job blacks want do. Why didn't he mention whites, Asians, etc. He was clearly speaking as if the blacks are the only ones who worked the lower jobs.

 

[newarkhiphop]

He clearly said job blacks want do. Why didn't he mention whites, Asians, etc. He was clearly was speaking as if the blacks are the only ones who worked the lower jobs.

because as much as America tries to hide it and ride the racial neutrality high road the rest of the world knows African Americans are still treated as second class citizens here, hence they would be the ones the ones immigrants would be stealing the lower class jobs from

 

[theworldismine13]

do you know the difference between institutionalized racism and racial prejudice....

yeah i do and its definitely correct that that the us legal code, unlike a lot of latin american codes, have been more explicit about race and also in latin america there has been more racial mixing so being explicit about race doesnt make as much sense as in the us and also the proportion of races is different

so it is definitely true that racism plays it differently in latin america than in the us

but let me ask you a question do you know what the word de-facto means

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/de facto

while the us had an explicitly racist legal code, latin america has a defacto jim crow type laws which plays out the same in the end and i object to you trying to differentiate

and i would strongly object to the notion that a lack of explicit legal codes would equate to lack of institutional racism, since you seem to have studied the issue, you would know that institutional racism does not require explicit legal codes and that in fact it stems from racial prejudice

so i smell something very devilish in trying to create a dichotomy between institutionalized racism and racial prejudice, those things go hand hand, one creates the other

and its also devilish and disingenuous to play down the defacto jim crow laws as somehow less pernicious when in the end they had the same effect

so i would definitely agree that in latin america its different, but less pernicious? no

because unless you can show and prove how there is a system in place in mexico that benefits the 9% white population and harms the mestizo, black and indigenous combined majority you're very clearly confused with the 2 terms. the fact that mexico had afro-mex and full indigenous presidents back in the 1800's is proof enough of this being non existent in mexico since the founding of the country.

all you have to do is look at the mexican congress, mexican tv and mexican elites to see that mexico has a system to benefit light skinned people and oppress the indigenous

but lets accept your assertion that mexico having non pure white presidents and lack of racist legal codes is a sign of less racism, using that standard then you would have to agree that the united states in 2012 is less racist then mexico, since it has a black president and a congress that is way more racially diverse than the mexican congress and a media that is much more racially diverse than mexico, would you not?

and you would also have to agree that the us does not have institutional racism since since it doesnt have any explicit racial legal codes

you do have a little bit of a point about latin american not having explicitly racist legal codes (they did have them but not as ubiquitous as the us), but there is another side to that, the other side is that a lot of latin american countries do not have any legal codes that expressly forbid racial discrimination, in other words the other side of that coin is that in a lot latin american countries discrimination based on race or sex is actually legal

which goes back to the point of de-facto institutional racism, and as an aside as to why its hard to confront racism in latin america, (its changing nowadays) but generally speaking racial discrimination is not actually illegal in latin america

for example what vincente fox said only sounds bad in the us, in mexico there is nothing wrong with what he said

in latin america people dont even acknowledge racism exists, and if they do they try to say its not as bad the US, kinda the same bs you are trying to say now

overall all you can say about racism in latin america is that its different than the us

an illegal mexican immigrant technically can't be racist towards you or anyone in the U.S. he can be prejudice, bigoted, racially insensitive or whatever else you want to call it, because there isnt a system in place that promotes him as a mexican being superior to you as a black person and thus gives disadvantages and obstacles towards upward mobility just because you're black and favors him because he's mexican.
racism in the U.S = laws, policies, and social constructs that are in place to subjugate you on the basis that white people are somehow superior to you and thus these things exist because you are inherently inferior to them.
racism is black people not being able to drink out of the same fountains, eat at the same restaurants or play in the same sports league on the basis of RACE.

nah thats mumbo jumbo, mexicans cant be racist toward me because im an educated person with a middle class job and i dont have any illegal mexicans in my chain of command, so its not important to me whether an illegal mexican is racist or not

but if i was not educated and living in an environment where mexicans are the majority and they have the power to decide if i got a job or where i live then they can be racist

so thats why im making the argument im making because a lot of black people may and are finding themselves in situations where mexicans can be racist against them as their numbers grow

so your example is not an example of what is being discussed, as mexican numbers grow they can become a racist force in america, and the evidence of places where mexican have become large in numbers shows a lot of racism

that is why the notion of them becoming the future has to be questioned

and i reject this notion of using an actual legal code as a sign of racism or institutional racism, racism and institutional racism can exit defacto without any legal codes and i dont see any reason for me to make any distinction between de facto and ex facto

 

[Topps]

@ people who actually think that 2nd & 3rd generation Mexican Americans are not just as racist as the Mexicans that have been here for just a year.

 

[theworldismine13]

u need to chill, i never even implied any of these things in what i posted

i havent even posted anything in support of supplanting the current racist white system with any other system, so you're jumping to conclusions buddy

ok maybe you werent but that was my argument from that start, that black people should not celebrate an influx of people from latin america because you are simply replacing one group of racist people with another

and you jumped in with your hand waving

unless im missing something you are asserting that people from india, philippines or mexico are less racist then white americans, so i thought you were responding to my assertion that an influx of latin americans is just replacing one racist culture with another by saying that in influx of these people would be good because they are less racist

but anyways maybe we are talking past each other, but that is the real point im getting at, black people should not be celebrating latinos being "the future"

 

[newarkhiphop]

Indigenous does not equal black in latin America, both go through different forms/levels of racial discrimination depending on what country you in

 

[theworldismine13]

because as much as America tries to hide it and ride the racial neutrality high road the rest of the world knows African Americans are still treated as second class citizens here, hence they would be the ones the ones immigrants would be stealing the lower class jobs from

yeah, if you want to keep it real, fox was just keeping it real

its just that im not interested in the way he views the world, if he represents the future of america there is gonna be a problem cuz the future looks the same as the past, if fox didnt speak spanish we would refer to him as a "cac"

 

[Tommy Knocks]

Cosign at the bolded.




Damn near every latina female I've met has told me that her father doesn't like black men and would disown her if she dated one.




Hispanic dudes be having alotta animosity in their hearts towards black dudes in my experiences.

For no reason too. that shyt cray. irl when do you ever here black men sitting around talking about latinos. Haha cmon lol. we've got far bigger issues.

From a socal nikka I just dont understand where it comes from we've done nothing to them.

 

[theworldismine13]

Racism against Mexicans exposed - YouTube

^does this mean blacks in general are racist towards mexicans?

no because 1. blacks in the U.S can't be racist, by definition and 2. in simpler terms this is a case of one black dude being an imbecile

will you conclude from this video that blacks are "racist" towards all mexicans (and lets be frank, this black dude beating the sht out of a mexican dude with a bat is a lot worse than vicente fox saying black people wont do the jobs mexican immigrants will)? i mean clearly there is some sort of hatred there that would lead that guy to beat the sht out of someone like that, no?
... that guy isnt racist. he's an idiot.

thats a very good question, but to put it to the test black people would have to grow in power and in numbers and black people would have to stop hating and killing each other in the first place