Jellyfish UFO's captured on military weapons camera

[Professor Emeritus]

Now why would I post the video.... Is it because FROM THE TMZ SHOW IS WHERE THE VIDEO WAS RELEASED?

This is what I mean by you're not coming across as intelligent on this topic.

Yes, me pointing out that you're posting Jeremy Corbell videos from TMZ and then repeating "Trust me bro" statements he makes without any reservation or commentary on his past scammer/grifter behavior really makes me look like the unintelligent one.

btw, what do you think you get out of constantly claiming I'm not intelligent? That's the fourth time you've used that exact wording in this conversation. Do you think you're winning hearts and minds there?

 

[jaydawg08]

Yes, me pointing out that you're posting Jeremy Corbell videos from TMZ and then repeating "Trust me bro" statements he makes without any reservation or commentary on his past scammer/grifter behavior really makes me look like the unintelligent one.

btw, what do you think you get out of constantly claiming I'm not intelligent? That's the fourth time you've used that exact wording in this conversation. Do you think you're winning hearts and minds there?

Do you think my goal is to "win hearts and minds".. I think you're coming across that way so I state it. I don't care what others think on these exchanges, I'm not trying to post for an audience but it appears maybe that's your end goal I suppose.

The comments, made by myself at least, have solely been about the video with potential context that we got from Corbell, then Greenstreet, then the soldier who was at the base.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Do you think my goal is to "win hearts and minds".. I think you're coming across that way so I state it. I don't care what others think on these exchanges, I'm not trying to post for an audience but it appears maybe that's your end goal I suppose.

Other than just killing time and procrastinating, my only two goals in posting on a forum are either to learn things from others or to share things with others.


I'm interested what your goals are that you think are being fulfilled by constantly making ad hominem attacks on my intelligence without being able to substantiate your attacks. Do you just post without a filter, rattling on whatever comes to your mind without purpose?

 

[jaydawg08]

Other than just killing time and procrastinating, my only two goals in posting on a forum are either to learn things from others or to share things with others.


I'm interested what your goals are that you think are being fulfilled by constantly making ad hominem attacks on my intelligence without being able to substantiate your attacks. Do you just post without a filter, rattling on whatever comes to your mind without purpose?

I feel you're coming across that way due to your bad faith arguments around the spider skin. It's a silly argument/theory

Move on to something that's more likely like balloons or something. I'm trying to be nice, but we're all dumber for reading about how the object on that IR video was of a spider skin

 

[dizzy4111]

Y'all really need to stop wasting time talking to folks that aren't arguing/discussing this topic in good faith.

The mainstream media is finally starting to catch up to the underground media that has been doing the real work for years. There are more and more people every day posting their own experiences because this is finally losing it's taboo nature. Don't get stuck in the weeds with certain people who's ego makes them want to run you in circles. Anyone that cares about this topic knows who they are.

 

[AngryBaby]

It appears possible that the object does move, someone did a time lapse (don't know if it is accurate) that appeared to show the object oscillating slightly around a central point. They were trying to prove that it had 3D substance and thus couldn't be something stuck to the lens. But such movement would also be perfectly consistent with something stuck to a spider line that's caught the housing on both ends and thus only has limited movement on that line.

Any movement of the camera would be perfectly matched by the object, with only minor oscillations.

Or, probably more likely to me at this point, it could just be balloons, floating by at the prevailing windspeed and generally staying in the same position either because they're tied together tightly or because they've already been pushed into the optimal aerodynamic position by the wind.





Spider skins are objects too.

Obviously objects meaning something not attached to apparatus. You know that. I've said that numerous times.

Bad faith again lol

And that spider scenario seems like alot would have to occur fir it not to move lol

A number of people in this thread have already said the opposite.

Not really...like 1 guy. And not many daps. More are saying you are arguing in bad faith.

 

[AngryBaby]

Yes, me pointing out that you're posting Jeremy Corbell videos from TMZ and then repeating "Trust me bro" statements he makes without any reservation or commentary on his past scammer/grifter behavior really makes me look like the unintelligent one.

btw, what do you think you get out of constantly claiming I'm not intelligent? That's the fourth time you've used that exact wording in this conversation. Do you think you're winning hearts and minds there?

To be fair, he said you dont come across intelligent on the grusch situation specifically.

I mean I do recall your main argument against him being that he is probably crazy.

That didnt age well today. You have exasperated diligent answers then as to why he was probably mistaking or crazy then also.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I feel you're coming across that way due to your bad faith arguments around the spider skin.

No, the first time you attacked my intelligence was when you were making up lies regarding what I had said about Grusch. Had nothing to do with spiders. I do notice that you dropped that line of attack after I pointed out you completely made it up, but you haven't apologized or admitted you were wrong.

The second time you attacked my intelligence was after I criticized you for taking Jeremy Corbell claims seriously.

Then, yes, you also made ad hominem attacks on my intelligence as your way of dismissing the spider skin possibility without actually making a valid argument.



Your attacks on my intelligence haven't been based on anything. And they're dragging down the thread, because you keep trying to make it about me rather than actually discussing the subject.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

To be fair, he said you dont come across intelligent on the grusch situation specifically.

Well, right now he's saying that I'm not intelligent because I think spider skin is one of several valid possibilities. So you're contradicting him here.

He did say Grusch earlier too. He also tried to use that line of attack when I criticized him for repeating Jeremy Corbell claims with zero evidence. So it sounds pretty general for him.

I mean I do recall your main argument against him being that he is probably crazy.

That is a lie. I said he's likely gullible. My main argument has ALWAYS been that he is mostly honest about what he's heard but is failing to parse the people bullshytting him from the grains of truth.

That didnt age well today.

Based on what? Literally nothing has changed. My position has ALWAYS been that the USA probably really does have a top secret craft retrieval program, that they likely really are operating without Congressional oversight, that some people really did tell Grusch ducktales about that program having something to do with aliens, and that Grusch likely really did face retaliation for promoting such stories.

What happened today which made my theory any less likely than it was before?

You have exasperated diligent answers then as to why he was probably mistaking or crazy then also.

Holy word salad batman.

 

[AngryBaby]

No, the first time you attacked my intelligence was when you were making up lies regarding what I had said about Grusch. Had nothing to do with spiders. I do notice that you dropped that line of attack after I pointed out you completely made it up, but you haven't apologized or admitted you were wrong.

The second time you attacked my intelligence was after I criticized you for taking Jeremy Corbell claims seriously.

Then, yes, you also made ad hominem attacks on my intelligence as your way of dismissing the spider skin possibility without actually making a valid argument.



Your attacks on my intelligence haven't been based on anything. And they're dragging down the thread, because you keep trying to make it about me rather than actually discussing the subject.

"Dragging down the thread" is subjective lol maybe for you, but he made the thread and has been simultaneously been posting vids while throwing a jab.

You can kill two birds with one stone lol

 

[jaydawg08]

No, the first time you attacked my intelligence was when you were making up lies regarding what I had said about Grusch. Had nothing to do with spiders. I do notice that you dropped that line of attack after I pointed out you completely made it up, but you haven't apologized or admitted you were wrong.

The second time you attacked my intelligence was after I criticized you for taking Jeremy Corbell claims seriously.

Then, yes, you also made ad hominem attacks on my intelligence as your way of dismissing the spider skin possibility without actually making a valid argument.



Your attacks on my intelligence haven't been based on anything. And they're dragging down the thread, because you keep trying to make it about me rather than actually discussing the subject.

I'm not going to admit that I was wrong about you coming across unintelligent when it comes to Grusch. You have stated in the past that essentially he is crazy, or doesn't have the information that the ICIG seems to have backed up in the SCIF, or essentially that he is so woeful at his job that he was easily decieved

I "attacked you" for Corbell because not once have I stated that I back Corbell or take all/any of his claims seriously, but you seem to insinuate that I have because I posted the stream from the show where the video was shown



This is stupid, I'm the one who posted about this topic then later highlighted an actual expert in the IR camera systems stating that smudges/bird chit/mud/etc. aren't the cause of this video, then highlighted further the SCIF and the conversations of those that were briefed from the ICIG

You have brought.......... the spider skin argument. That's essentially it

WTF do you bring to this thread besides the spider skin argument

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Y'all really need to stop wasting time talking to folks that aren't arguing/discussing this topic in good faith.

LOL, wouldn't that disqualify anything that had to do with Jeremy Corbell then?

 

[AngryBaby]

Well, right now he's saying that I'm not intelligent because I think spider skin is one of several valid possibilities. So you're contradicting him here.

He did say Grusch earlier too. He also tried to use that line of attack when I criticized him for repeating Jeremy Corbell claims with zero evidence. So it sounds pretty general for him.






That is a lie. I said he's likely gullible. My main argument has ALWAYS been that he is mostly honest about what he's heard but is failing to parse the people bullshytting him from the grains of truth.






Based on what? Literally nothing has changed. My position has ALWAYS been that the USA probably really does have a top secret craft retrieval program, that they likely really are operating without Congressional oversight, that some people really did tell Grusch ducktales about that program having something to do with aliens, and that Grusch likely really did face retaliation for promoting such stories.

What happened today which made my theory any less likely than it was before?






Holy word salad batman.

You saying he's "gullible" is questioning his competence and intellect. Whereas you are...less gullible? What makes you make that determination? Thats essentially the same argument as saying he's crazy lol

You also are speaking as if hes only going off of what he's told, when he also had given reasons as to why the conclusion has been given based on non-earth derived findings, there is apparent documents, evidence etc that is classified. And thats what they discussed and viewed and still determined him credible.

Being "gullible" isn't credible. You are insulting these officials intellect but ironically are insulted by jaydawg doing it to you? When you have no connection or credentials?

 

[jaydawg08]

You saying he's "gullible" is questioning his competence and intellect. Whereas you are...less gullible? What makes you make that determination? Thats essentially the same argument as saying he's crazy lol

You also are speaking as if hes only going off of what he's told, when he also had given reasons as to why the conclusion has been given based on non-earth derived findings, there is apparent documents, evidence etc that is classified. And thats what they discussed and viewed and still determined him credible.

Being "gullible" isn't credible. You are insulting these officials intellect but ironically are insulted by jaydawg doing it to you? When you have no connection or credentials?

I think this is my main issue with his arguments.

I think everyone else in this thread is pretty open minded to many things with this subject, because obviously we don't have all the answers.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I'm not going to admit that I was wrong about you coming across unintelligent when it comes to Grusch. You have stated in the past that essentially he is crazy, or doesn't have the information that the ICIG seems to have backed up in the SCIF,

First off, you are repeatedly misrepresenting me. Don't mistake your own poor reading comprehension for someone else's lack of intelligence. I have made my position on Grusch perfectly clear many times.

Second, if you have actually understood my position on Grusch at any point, then you would realize that nothing that has been said about the ICIG or the conference in the SCIF has in any way discredited my position. I DO believe that parts of what Grusch is saying about a secret craft retrieval program and facing

Finally, stop using "unintelligent" as a euphemism for "stop staying things I disagree with." If your opinion of someone's intelligence flips a 180 whenever they disagree with you, then clearly their intelligence isn't the issue here.

I think you're a very smart poster and one of the best on this forum.

You're a smart poster.

you're a smart guy

He's a smart poster, I just don't like his hard stances on this topic.

If your views on my intelligence change constantly depending on how much you agree with me on a particular topic, then you're not talking about "intelligence" anymore.

Face it. Someone you've always viewed as smart disagrees with you on this issue. Engage with the arguments at face value and stop looking so insecure about that.