Jellyfish UFO's captured on military weapons camera

[Professor Emeritus]

You saying he's "gullible" is questioning his competence and intellect.

Wrong. I don't think gullibility is a function of intellect, especially for people on the spectrum. This is backed by scientific evidence.

People with ASD risk being manipulated because they can't tell when they're being lied to

A new study shows that the ability to distinguish truth from lies is diminished in people with autism spectrum disorder (ASD) -- putting them at greater risk of being manipulated.

www.sciencedaily.com

People with ASD at Risk of Manipulation Because they Can't Tell When They Are Being Lied To

A new study reveals people with ASD may be at higher risk of being manipulated as they find it more difficult to pick up social cues about deceit. Researchers say the ability to detect lies is significantly diminished in those with autism.

neurosciencenews.com

People with ASD at Risk of Manipulation Because they Can’t Tell When They Are Being Lied To​

·May 22, 2018

Summary: A new study reveals people with ASD may be at higher risk of being manipulated as they find it more difficult to pick up social cues about deceit. Researchers say the ability to detect lies is significantly diminished in those with autism.


If you look at my history, you'll see that I have nothing against people with autism. In many cases, I appreciate people on the spectrum more than "normies", because they often tend to be more logical and avoid a lot of the stupid social crap that annoys me. I think some of them are heroes. And they certainly don't lack intelligence.

However, it's just a fact of life that people on the spectrum don't understand social cues as well and have trouble reading people. And actual studies show they are more easily manipulated as a result. That's something we can actually discuss as relevant to the topic.

Being "gullible" isn't credible. You are insulting these officials intellect but ironically are insulted by jaydawg doing it to you? When you have no connection or credentials?

I have not insulted anyone's intellect. I have made a specific claim about a particular issue. My issue with Jaydawg is he's just using catch-all insults without the slightest backup for his statements every time I say something he disagrees with.

 

[dizzy4111]

LOL, wouldn't that disqualify anything that had to do with Jeremy Corbell then?

This is what I mean. Corbell has more sources at all levels of the military and intelligence community, and has done more work than anybody to get this topic to the forefront since the 2017 NYT breakthrough piece, than anybody. He sat directly behind the 3 whistleblowers at the Congressional hearings over the summer because HE put that together. He's spearheaded all of this.

Your posts ITT show that you're not really interested in looking in to that though so...

 

[jaydawg08]

First off, you are repeatedly misrepresenting me. Don't mistake your own poor reading comprehension for someone else's lack of intelligence. I have made my position on Grusch perfectly clear many times.

Second, if you have actually understood my position on Grusch at any point, then you would realize that nothing that has been said about the ICIG or the conference in the SCIF has in any way discredited my position. I DO believe that parts of what Grusch is saying about a secret craft retrieval program and facing

Finally, stop using "unintelligent" as a euphemism for "stop staying things I disagree with." If your opinion of someone's intelligence flips a 180 whenever they disagree with you, then clearly their intelligence isn't the issue here.








If your views on my intelligence change constantly depending on how much you agree with me on a particular topic, then you're not talking about "intelligence" anymore.

Face it. Someone you've always viewed as smart disagrees with you on this issue. Engage with the arguments at face value and stop looking so insecure about that.

You have insinuated multiple times that he is basically incompetent at his job.. that's what a "gullible person" who does investigations would essentially be. Now it would be one thing if there was a single source, then that wasn't investigated.... but once again you continue to be ill informed on this topic and there were 40+ then an investigation was done by the ICIG independently. Or maybe we're to believe that the ICIG and his team are also a gullible people who all have ASD and were duped

There's a clear line of UINTELLIGENT processes with your own thinking. Your deduction in that particular subject is UNINTELLIGENT.

 

[dizzy4111]

A lot of people in these regimented, compartmentalized government programs are on the spectrum.

Now I really see what type of time you're on lol

 

[AngryBaby]

First off, you are repeatedly misrepresenting me. Don't mistake your own poor reading comprehension for someone else's lack of intelligence. I have made my position on Grusch perfectly clear many times.

Second, if you have actually understood my position on Grusch at any point, then you would realize that nothing that has been said about the ICIG or the conference in the SCIF has in any way discredited my position. I DO believe that parts of what Grusch is saying about a secret craft retrieval program and facing

Finally, stop using "unintelligent" as a euphemism for "stop staying things I disagree with." If your opinion of someone's intelligence flips a 180 whenever they disagree with you, then clearly their intelligence isn't the issue here.








If your views on my intelligence change constantly depending on how much you agree with me on a particular topic, then you're not talking about "intelligence" anymore.

Face it. Someone you've always viewed as smart disagrees with you on this issue. Engage with the arguments at face value and stop looking so insecure about that.

Yet you disrespected an officials intellect numerous times by saying hes just gullible. Which indirectly insinuates you are less gullible, therefore more credible? How can you then be insulted when someone questions yours?

 

[AngryBaby]

Wrong. I don't think gullibility is a function of intellect, especially for people on the spectrum. This is backed by scientific evidence.

People with ASD risk being manipulated because they can't tell when they're being lied to

A new study shows that the ability to distinguish truth from lies is diminished in people with autism spectrum disorder (ASD) -- putting them at greater risk of being manipulated.

www.sciencedaily.com

People with ASD at Risk of Manipulation Because they Can't Tell When They Are Being Lied To

A new study reveals people with ASD may be at higher risk of being manipulated as they find it more difficult to pick up social cues about deceit. Researchers say the ability to detect lies is significantly diminished in those with autism.

neurosciencenews.com

People with ASD at Risk of Manipulation Because they Can’t Tell When They Are Being Lied To​

·May 22, 2018

Summary: A new study reveals people with ASD may be at higher risk of being manipulated as they find it more difficult to pick up social cues about deceit. Researchers say the ability to detect lies is significantly diminished in those with autism.


If you look at my history, you'll see that I have nothing against people with autism. In many cases, I appreciate people on the spectrum more than "normies", because they often tend to be more logical and avoid a lot of the stupid social crap that annoys me. I think some of them are heroes. And they certainly don't lack intelligence.

However, it's just a fact of life that people on the spectrum don't understand social cues as well and have trouble reading people. And actual studies show they are more easily manipulated as a result. That's something we can actually discuss as relevant to the topic.





I have not insulted anyone's intellect. I have made a specific claim about a particular issue. My issue with Jaydawg is he's just using catch-all insults without the slightest backup for his statements every time I say something he disagrees with.

But ironically you are discounting his credibility BECAUSE of his autism? Doesn't sound like respect for autism to me.

If this was an issue his investigative position wouldnt have happened at that level.

So in this regard you are less "guillible" than grusch?

 

[dizzy4111]

But ironically you are discounting his credibility BECAUSE of his autism? Doesn't sound like respect for autism to me.

If this was an issue his investigative position wouldnt have happened at that level.

So in this regard you are less "guillible" than grusch?

Absolutely nobody has questioned Grusch's credentials in his position at this point. He's pretty bulletproof there. It's just a bad faith argument that was settled before he even got in front of Congress

 

[O.T.I.S.]

I think this is my main issue with his arguments.

I think everyone else in this thread is pretty open minded to many things with this subject, because obviously we don't have all the answers.

And you’re still giving him the benefit of the doubt?

Dude is doing this purposely.. I stated it in previous threads. I realized it was him purposely trying to derail these threads while trying to make everyone else sound unintelligent who even entertain the idea that “we don’t know”, when he tried to give an explanation about midget rastafarians in Africa for something 20+ children witnessed.

That’s when I bushed him and any other “opinion” he has about the subject because he clearly has an agenda.. which is almost agent-like

But for some reason you guys keep giving him the attention he desires, keep trying to insinuate he’s “intelligent” (never been to me btw), and keep responding to his clear agenda.

Most of us are already saying we don’t know.. obviously not many people really know thats why they’re being called “unidentified”. Grusch did classified research for years as a SKEPTIC to the subject, but saw when he was getting stonewalled from doing his job, interviewed credible people within the intelligence community (not “his buddies”), started receiving threats and attacks on his career/credibility (remember the PTSD article?) he started seeing there was more to the smoke than he realized and our immediate Government officials who require oversight either were unaware or wasn’t doing shyt about it while tax dollars are being swindled, people being silenced or attacked, etc. Then he decided to go public with whistleblower protection Policies he helped put in place.

This Rhakim clown isn’t anything but a parrot to other skeptics who get roasted daily on the subject and is trying to influence anyone who is just as unintelligent as him to not even pay attention to the facts of this. Smudges and spiderwebs on multimillion dollar equipment that clearly are moving independently to the cameras? They spent millions and hundreds of hours to train these people in these weapon systems but they’re to dumb to know how to use it?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

This is what I mean. Corbell has more sources at all levels of the military and intelligence community, and has done more work than anybody to get this topic to the forefront since the 2017 NYT breakthrough piece, than anybody.

You're calling this guy the towering figure of the UFO movement?

Jeremy Corbell - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Corbell is a yoga instructor and self-taught artist who is constantly caught lying and sensationalizing shyt, including his own access, to the point where he has turned off the majority of the UFO community even including believers. Like many grifters, he is a good at kissing ass and getting himself close to people, but you're giving him a ridiculous amount of undue credit for just being around.

Everything you say about Jeremy Corbell, you could have said about Steven Greer 20 years ago, and Greer is just as big an egotistical grifter who exaggerates and lies about his own importance as Corbell is.

The posts and comments in these sorts of threads give a good idea of what most people in the UFO community actually think of Corbell.







Here are the top-voted comments in those threads:

I watched his documentary on Bob Lazar. He inserts himself into the narrative as much as possible, adds bullshyt pseudo intellectual monologues and it really seems like he fabricates evidence or can't seem to figure out when someone is obviously making shyt up. He seems like a narcissist to me.

Honestly I think Jeremy Corbell just isn’t that intelligent. I don’t blame him or attribute anything like this to malice or disinformation. He’s just not that bright. Podcasts with him are just so cringe. It’s like listening to a man-child.

That second comment has 706 upvotes and that's in the pro-UFO community.



Even his defenders have a hard time defending him:

Corbell has a history of exaggerating, and hyping up stuff that isn't actually UFOs. Remember the DROP of the Navy video of Triangles "buzzing warships" that was later shown to just be stars through a triangle aperture of the Night Vision? https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/navy-filmed-pyramid-uaps-jpg.52046/

We know that Corbell repeatedly lies about Lazar. For example, both Corbell and Lazar consistently repeat their false claim that the FBI raid happened as a direct result of their private conversation about element 115. But the search warrant for the raid was signed by a judge in court BEFORE the conversation took place. So unless the FBI has a time machine, Corbell and Lazar just keep lying about this for attention, and the raid was actually about the death that was the stated reason for it.

With all this said, it doesn't mean that we need to attack Corbell personally. Think about all of the good he has done for Ufology, especially over recent years. He has promoted the topic to the mainstream with a popular Netflix documentary, he was on the ground at raid Area 51 and the music concert, he goes on the MSM news and promotes UFOs relentlessly which is an extremely important thing to do. This is all necessary in order to get the public, the news, and academia to keep making progress towards eliminating the stigma around UFOs and finally take Ufology seriously as a scientific investigation into and unknown Phenomenon.

That guy literally says, "Sure, Corbell is a lying grifter who exaggerates a lot, but look at all the good he's done for the UFO community!"

 

[AngryBaby]

You're calling this guy the towering figure of the UFO movement?

Jeremy Corbell - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Corbell is a yoga instructor and self-taught artist who is constantly caught lying and sensationalizing shyt, including his own access, to the point where he has turned off the majority of the UFO community even including believers. Like many grifters, he is a good at kissing ass and getting himself close to people, but you're giving him a ridiculous amount of undue credit for just being around.

Everything you say about Jeremy Corbell, you could have said about Steven Greer 20 years ago, and Greer is just as big an egotistical grifter who exaggerates and lies about his own importance as Corbell is.

The posts and comments in these sorts of threads give a good idea of what most people in the UFO community actually think of Corbell.







Here are the top-voted comments in those threads:






That second comment has 706 upvotes and that's in the pro-UFO community.



Even his defenders have a hard time defending him:







That guy literally says, "Sure, Corbell is a lying grifter who exaggerates a lot, but look at all the good he's done for the UFO community!"

You doubted grusch also though for being autistic? Said he was likely gullible? Because he's autistic?

When its been verified that he is credible with what he disclosed and was being stonewalled from doing his job as a skeptic on this subject?

Are you back on Corbell because hes an easier target?

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

Ufologists are modern day prophets. Ignore our words at your own peril...

 

[Professor Emeritus]

You doubted grusch also though for being autistic? Said he was likely gullible? Because he's autistic?

No, I doubt Grusch because his story is illogical and at odds with all evidence and reasoned thinking. My theory of how he came to believe what he believes was the exact same before I ever learned about his autism.

His autism-spectrum disorder (which I only learned about much later) merely explains how an intelligent person could have gone down such a path.

Are back you on Corbell because hes an easier target?

No, I'm back on Corbell because someone quoted me and started talking about Corbell.

The # of times I've been criticized by UFO-believers in this thread merely for responding to other UFO-believers is wild. Attacking me instead of my arguments continues to be useless, and seems to just distract from addressing the actual topics. Is Corbell indefensible?

I'll go back to Grusch in my next comment, since you seem to demand it.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

essentially that he is so woeful at his job that he was easily decieved

You have insinuated multiple times that he is basically incompetent at his job.. that's what a "gullible person" who does investigations would essentially be.

If this was an issue his investigative position wouldnt have happened at that level.

You would have a point if "doing investigations" had been his real job, and not just something he asked to be assigned to because he was into UFOs.


So far as I can tell, at no point in Grusch's previous career or education had he ever been relied on to investigate other people.

His entire career as an intelligence officer has been in signals intelligence. He worked in cyber programs, space control, signals intelligence with the NRO. I've read his extensive resume top to bottom and didn't see anything that ever suggested expertise in evaluating human assets. There is no indication that reading people was ever an important part of his job. He was always a technology assets guy, and all of his academic background and further training was on the science side of things.

Only a couple years before all this broke, Grusch chose to make a career shift from signals intelligence and large-scale oversight of programs to become the NGA lead for UAP shyt. From all appearances, it appears that all of the department leads for UAP shyt have been people who had at least some personal interest in the UFO subject - it wasn't seen as a serious position and wasn't something anyone made someone do if they didn't want to do it. When the job began to turn into, "I'm going to interview people telling funny stories and evaluate their credibility," it was no longer within his wheelhouse.


I'm sure there are people within the government who have made certain claims to Grusch. Most of his claims are shyt we've heard before (Bob Lazar, Phillip Corso, Eric Davis), and the sources always turned out to have no serious evidence or credibility. If an especially gullible investigator went around the government and managed to encounter every Lazar, Corso, and Davis type who was sitting around in the periphery of one department or another with some crazy unverifiable stories to tell, what would you end up with?

Exactly what we have.

 

[O.T.I.S.]

Ufologists are modern day prophets. Ignore our words at your own peril...

Not even a ufologist on the subject, but if you’re always being obtuse to all of the sketchy shyt that ALWAYS go in when this subject is brought up then idk.

You literally have Congress members shook and concerned about what they’ve heard in classified briefings.. who themselves have claimed to be stonewalled when attempting to investigate Grusch claim, who are coming out with legislation on the topic, zero oversight on programs that have alleged to have been spending YOUR tax dollars in attempts to illegally…Nevermind

Midget Rastafarians, balloons, and spiderwebs are the reason people aren’t taking these things more seriously. Nolan said something that stuck out to me. Back in the day, When they said there were holes in space that people couldn’t see but light or anything else could escape from, people called them crazy and laughed/mocked them for it.

Now, blackholes despite being millions of miles away are viewed as common scientific knowledge. Real scientist are open to anything being a possibility and it’s up to them to pull the threads and do the research and test the theories to make it a scientific fact. Being a biased skeptic is just as bad as being a biased believer in something you have minimal knowledge on.

Problem is, no one knows what these things are but you’re not even giving the appropriate data for these things to be thoroughly tested and peer reviewed? That was another one of Gruschs arguments

 

[GoldenGlove]

These aren’t videos made in 2024

These are videos made in 2000’s-2010’s or longer and sat on