Jellyfish UFO's captured on military weapons camera

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See what I mean :mjlol:

This videos weren’t new at all. Apparently they floated on the underground web for years.

This shyt was sent to Corbell and the Las Vegas news dude who first broke the Area 51 story (we were also told that place didn’t exist until years later the military came out and said it does exist), and they sat on it because they couldn’t verify the legitimacy of the vids until recently, when they were able to get in touch with the people who actually were a part of its filming and they vetted them too.

Thats why they officially released to with details BUT, the videos themselves are like a decade old or some shyt
 

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I'm going to turn off notifications for this thread because it's devolved into a circle-jerk of personal attacks by people who don't seem all that interested in the subject.


In summary:


1. By all indications, the object is completely inanimate and does nothing at all the entire time. Whether it is close to the lens or far away we don't know, but it's just "there" either way and never does anything anomalous at any point. Ballloons far away, dead spider stuck to a web close up, who knows.


2. The claims that the object was changing its temperature rapidly were clearly a lie by Corbell that was conclusively demonstrated with videos and screenshots in this thread. EVERY time its color changed, the other objects in the shot were changing as well. It was camera settings, not actual temperature change.


3. Lies like this are run-of-the-mill for Corbell, which is why nothing else he says about the video can be taken seriously either unless it is backed by proof. As I clearly showed, even the majority of the UFO community sees him as a lying, exaggerating grifter who makes shyt up and plays dumb as a rock.


4. Grusch, on the other hand, is intelligent and likely honest, he just has some blind spots. Those blind spots likely led to the fact that when people complained to him about a top-secret craft retrieval program beyond Congressional oversight, he conflated it with other people who are complaining to him with duck tales stories about UFOs. (Some of those are even the same people - there are likely workers on the periphery of the craft retrieval program who only have half-knowledge of what is going on, and have become conspiracy theorists who see all the secrecy and thus begin to believe it has something to do with retrieving NHI craft rather than merely our own and others' top-secret craft). Many of the stories he repeats and the ways he makes his claims (being 100% certain that we have alien bodies even though he's never seen them or any direct evidence for them, repeating the 1933 Italian UFO story as fact even though the "pilots" were described as White Aryans) have made him look quite gullible, and that is in line with people on the autism spectrum. That is not an insult on his intelligence, just a simple fact about his difficulty reading other people and telling when they're bullshytting him. Despite being an intelligence officer, until this assignment he had always worked in signals intelligence and other roles on the tech or planning side of things, never doing human asset missions or personal human-level investigative work.



If you want to argue any of that, then go back and quote the posts where I actually back all of it up. But I'm not replying. I'm out because the conversation isn't even interesting anymore, instead of debating the actual evidence, it's just a bunch of people screaming about what side they're on and pissed off that not everyone is on that side.

Hopefully if I'm gone, you'll stop talking about me and start talking about the topic again. But I suspect we'll get at least one more round of comments about me.
 

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No, I doubt Grusch because his story is illogical and at odds with all evidence and reasoned thinking. My theory of how he came to believe what he believes was the exact same before I ever learned about his autism.

His autism-spectrum disorder (which I only learned about much later) merely explains how an intelligent person could have gone down such a path.

But he was a skeptic, you yourself said that autism leads them not to fall for emotional biases, to which would actually lend him to not go for the emotional want or need of this being true. So on one end you say he'd be gullible since he is autistic. But on the other hand he's not likely to submit ti emotional bias? It seems your bending the credibility of autism to your will.

And you are definately discrediting him because of it.

And illogical? How so? If that were the case, this wouldnt be a discussed by the courts right now. He wouldnt be deemed credible.

He simply came across evidence, and documents, and sources that would suggest certain material aren't from here. Based upon the apparent make up of such things and more.

I'll ask again. Are you claiming you are less gullible than Grusch? Are you claiming you are more aware of how logical the circumstances are than the courts?


And one more question. You are insulting the credibility of officials that are closer to this subject than you, work in these fields, and have done due dilligence to make sure they are credible. Why then are you insulted by jaydawg doing it to you? You have none of those credentials, so atleast his doubt is less arrogant.
 

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I'm going to turn off notifications for this thread because it's devolved into a circle-jerk of personal attacks by people who don't seem all that interested in the subject.


In summary:


1. By all indications, the object is completely inanimate and does nothing at all the entire time. Whether it is close to the lens or far away we don't know, but it's just "there" either way and never does anything anomalous at any point. Ballloons far away, dead spider stuck to a web close up, who knows.


2. The claims that the object was changing its temperature rapidly were clearly a lie by Corbell that was conclusively demonstrated with videos and screenshots in this thread. EVERY time its color changed, the other objects in the shot were changing as well. It was camera settings, not actual temperature change.


3. Lies like this are run-of-the-mill for Corbell, which is why nothing else he says about the video can be taken seriously either unless it is backed by proof. As I clearly showed, even the majority of the UFO community sees him as a lying, exaggerating grifter who makes shyt up and plays dumb as a rock.


4. Grusch, on the other hand, is intelligent and likely honest, he just has some blind spots. Those blind spots likely led to the fact that when people complained to him about a top-secret craft retrieval program beyond Congressional oversight, he conflated it with other people who are complaining to him with duck tales stories about UFOs. (Some of those are even the same people - there are likely workers on the periphery of the craft retrieval program who only have half-knowledge of what is going on, and have become conspiracy theorists who see all the secrecy and thus begin to believe it has something to do with retrieving NHI craft rather than merely our own and others' top-secret craft). Many of the stories he repeats and the ways he makes his claims (being 100% certain that we have alien bodies even though he's never seen them or any direct evidence for them, repeating the 1933 Italian UFO story as fact even though the "pilots" were described as White Aryans) have made him look quite gullible, and that is in line with people on the autism spectrum. That is not an insult on his intelligence, just a simple fact about his difficulty reading other people and telling when they're bullshytting him. Despite being an intelligence officer, until this assignment he had always worked in signals intelligence and other roles on the tech or planning side of things, never doing human asset missions or personal human-level investigative work.



If you want to argue any of that, then go back and quote the posts where I actually back all of it up. But I'm not replying. I'm out because the conversation isn't even interesting anymore, instead of debating the actual evidence, it's just a bunch of people screaming about what side they're on and pissed off that not everyone is on that side.

Hopefully if I'm gone, you'll stop talking about me and start talking about the topic again. But I suspect we'll get at least one more round of comments about me.
Nah you're bouncing because too many people are on you. And once the question about the autism thing came up, you bounce.

Not surprising. You'll be in the next thread about this though.
 

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But he was a skeptic, you yourself said that autism leads them not to fall for emotional biases, to which would actually lend him to not go for the emotional want or need of this being true. So on one end you say he'd be gullible since he is autistic. But on the other hand he's not likely to submit ti emotional bias? It seems your bending the credibility of autism to your will.

And you are definately discrediting him because of it.

And illogical? How so? If that were the case, this wouldnt be a discussed by the courts right now. He wouldnt be deemed credible.

He simply came across evidence, and documents, and sources that would suggest certain material aren't from here. Based upon the apparent make up of such things and more.

I'll ask again. Are you claiming you are less gullible than Grusch? Are you claiming you are more aware of how logical the circumstances are than the courts?


And one more question. You are insulting the credibility of officials that are closer to this subject than you, work in these fields, and have done due dilligence to make sure they are credible. Why then are you insulted by jaydawg doing it to you? You have none of those credentials, so atleast his doubt is less arrogant.
Thats all he did.

Came in as a skeptic but open minded, mainly because of the KIND of people that he was approached by or approached himself came off as credible.

And these weren’t ordinary people who said they saw something in the sky. These weren’t reporters and filmakers like Corbell that he interviewed. These were people in positions with clearances… doctors, scienists, military officials, military members where you records can EASILY get pulled.

And when he tried to investigate those claims (because that was his JOB) he was stonewalled, “gaslit” (sounds familiar in this thread?), threatened, career attacked, etc.

There was shyt they didn’t want him to know or see regardless of his clearance or job title, so he went to the ICIG (Intelligence Community Inspector General for the ones behind) which is the equivalent of going to the Feds for the intelligence Community and made his claims and came out publicly to protect himself and his sources. And then went under oath to prove his credibility and that he was serious about his claims and serious that congress (the people we put in to represent us as citizens) didn’t know shyt about this shyt.

Thats it. All he wants is a serious and open investigation by powers higher than him to investigate the shyt he was stonewalled in. And even they were stonewalled as well.. they came out publicly and said it which is why they started taking it more seriously.

And you not making Major in the military by being a completely gullible idiot… dude has his own degree in physics
 

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Congressman give their reactions after leaving the classified UAP briefing



Rep Luna: I believe Grusch's claim after leaving the hearing.
Rep Ogles: There's a concerted effort to conceal info from Congress and the public.
Rep Burlison: It's given me a more clearer perspective, but my world view hasn't changed. It gives us a direction to go next.
Rep Burchett: It made what I think more credible and it got me more focused on who next to bring into the hearing.
Rep Raja: I'm more concerned than I was before going into the SCIF.
Rep Garcia: I have more questions and I encourage the media to continue to investigate this topic.
Rep Moskowitz: This meeting moved the needle.
 

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Thats all he did.

Came in as a skeptic but open minded, mainly because of the KIND of people that he was approached by or approached himself came off as credible.

And these weren’t ordinary people who said they saw something in the sky. These weren’t reporters and filmakers like Corbell that he interviewed. These were people in positions with clearances… doctors, scienists, military officials, military members where you records can EASILY get pulled.

And when he tried to investigate those claims (because that was his JOB) he was stonewalled, “gaslit” (sounds familiar in this thread?), threatened, career attacked, etc.

There was shyt they didn’t want him to know or see regardless of his clearance or job title, so he went to the ICIG (Intelligence Community Inspector General for the ones behind) which is the equivalent of going to the Feds for the intelligence Community and made his claims and came out publicly to protect himself and his sources. And then went under oath to prove his credibility and that he was serious about his claims and serious that congress (the people we put in to represent us as citizens) didn’t know shyt about this shyt.

Thats it. All he wants is a serious and open investigation by powers higher than him to investigate the shyt he was stonewalled in. And even they were stonewalled as well.. they came out publicly and said it which is why they started taking it more seriously.

And you not making Major in the military by being a completely gullible idiot… dude has his own degree in physics
I was always a skeptic (and still somewhat am) but the Tic Tac incident can't be explained by the typical responses that you get on this topic because of the multitude of corroborating evidence:
  • The USS Nimitz and the USS Princeton were tracking it coming and going from space for weeks
  • 4 pilots in 2 fighter jets visually identified it and one pilot chased it (Cmdr David Fravor)
  • 2 pilots in a 3rd jet was able to pick it up on their FLIR radar
  • FLIR video declassified and released on April 2020
  • Cmdr David Fravor testifies in Congress about chasing UAP (July 2023)

They have the sensor data from 2 aircraft carriers, visual identification from 4 USAF pilots that chased it, and radar data from a 5th USAF pilot that attempted to intercept it.

Now we have whistleblowers coming out and Congress having multiple classified meetings stating that they're being stonewalled and lied to by the intelligence community.
 

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Congressman give their reactions after leaving the classified UAP briefing



Rep Luna: I believe Grusch's claim after leaving the hearing.
Rep Ogles: There's a concerted effort to conceal info from Congress and the public.
Rep Burlison: It's given me a more clearer perspective, but my world view hasn't changed. It gives us a direction to go next.
Rep Burchett: It made what I think more credible and it got me more focused on who next to bring into the hearing.
Rep Raja: I'm more concerned than I was before going into the SCIF.
Rep Garcia: I have more questions and I encourage the media to continue to investigate this topic.
Rep Moskowitz: This meeting moved the needle.


Everyone that has been briefed on classified info so far has come out saying we need to keep pushing

but I'm sure it's nothing lol
 

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I was always a skeptic (and still somewhat am) but the Tic Tac incident can't be explained by the typical responses that you get on this topic because of the multitude of corroborating evidence:
  • The USS Nimitz and the USS Princeton were tracking it coming and going from space for weeks
  • 4 pilots in 2 fighter jets visually identified it and one pilot chased it (Cmdr David Fravor)
  • 2 pilots in a 3rd jet was able to pick it up on their FLIR radar
  • FLIR video declassified and released on April 2020
  • Cmdr David Fravor testifies in Congress about chasing UAP (July 2023)

They have the sensor data from 2 aircraft carriers, visual identification from 4 USAF pilots that chased it, and radar data from a 5th USAF pilot that attempted to intercept it.

Now we have whistleblowers coming out and Congress having multiple classified meetings stating that they're being stonewalled and lied to by the intelligence community.
Yeah these dudes not some scrubs sitting at home talking about this

Fravors actually pursued it.. had actual eyeballs on it. That shyt was in 2004

And they were told NOT to mention it either. Don’t even bring it up. He reached out to others to get then to discuss it and only one did, a female pilot.. everyone else told him don’t bring that shyt up again

He was actually bugged by Corbell so much he was pissed at him about it.

There was also supposed to be more whistleblowers in that hearing but only those 3 came forward. Mainly because it was a hazard to pilots, hazards to National Security, and because Grusch was there
 
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