I don’t take Coli opinions seriously I’ve been posting on hip hop message boards since 1997
I’ve seen people shyt on every classic album
they shyt on 2001, The College Dripout, They destroyed 808’s and heartbreaks, MBDTF, Every Kendrick release, every J Cole release, they panned Watch The Throne ...
And I say this not even as a fan of all the pro black rappers and Electronica I say this as a hip hop fan from way back
Go listen to your favorite mumble rapper ... I’m calling it now this will be a revered album in the future
You can't, positive or negative. Overall this just isn't the place you go to for a highly knowledgeable or objective opinion, with some exceptions of course. But it's polluted with stans and haters, most have some agenda or angle, it's usually to do with artists they stan and pushing narratives, it's a pathetic thing for adults to do, I'm not sure why they do it at this point.
I hardly post in The Booth anymore because the discussion and intelligence level is so low. People wanna argue childishly all the time instead of discussing. Always switching it to some next irrelevant shyt.
I've always been the type of Hip Hop head that is honest, I judge off the music not how much I like the artist. I've critiqued albums from artists I highly respect and criticized if that was my opinion or praised if it was due. All the stan shyt have always found very childish and boring too. You've got groups on here that are self admitted stans lol.
I'm glad to see this album has restored the feeling though lol. It's made for some interesting discussions with some, especially with some about the album and also topics that were discussed due to the content of the album. Makes a refreshing change, for on here at least.
The Booth for music is probably the worst forum I've ever been on when it comes to knowledge level and discussion, Ill Community was ILL and lived up to it's name back in the day, SOHH at 1 point was pretty interesting. The Booth has been stale and dead, but Jay Electronica mentally resurrecting the dead for a while lol.
And you're right with the other point you said too, whether it's Illmatic or whatever celebrated album, it's been shytted on on here hugely. I forget the trolls name but he made a whole Coli career out of shytting on Illmatic lol. You know where a lot of people will stand before the album even comes out, which means no objectivity.
"They destroyed 808’s and heartbreaks, MBDTF, Every Kendrick release, every J Cole release, they panned Watch The Throne ..."
I completely agree with this, in a whole other dimension to the Kanye albums, infact I personally feel this is better than any Kanye album. 808 shyt was wack to me, MBDTF highly overrated too. Also this is gonna upset people but it's how I genuinely feel, I feel this is way better than any Kendrick album and I've listened to all of them, I like some songs off GKMC and I like and respect some songs from TPAB, I relistened to the latter after the anniversary thread was made and it was unlistenable to me bar a few tracks. I didn't feel it at the time, and I don't feel it now. I like a few songs though as I mentioned but it's not a cohesive album and I probably at the time specifically picked out my feelings of the flaws of the album, no hate just specifics. Kendrick can rap well at times and deliver some nice lyrics at times too, I actually want him to do well because I think because he can have a lyrical and poetic approach at times it's good for the state of the mainstream but judging off the music I don't at all see him as what a lot of people do. And that's fine because everybody is entitled to their views. I quite like J Cole too, I liked the 4YEO album and saw some growth in him, but Jay Electronica for me is really a master lyricist and MC, to a level where most don't even understand what's going on.
And sonically this album was reminiscent somewhat of Watch The Throne to me, but A LOT better because the lyricism and content is on a higher level. Jay-Z and Jay Electronica is kind of the album I didn't know I needed but it worked excellently to me, almost like 1 of the dream collab albums we've anticipated of the years never got, so this was like an unexpected gift to me and 1 thing for sure to me is their chemistry together seems organic. I wonder if it's partly due to Jay Elec having some similarities to Biggie in some ways and Jay-Z and Biggie were great together.
Some people will dislike the album no matter what, many are certainly fronting because it's agenda based and I'm sure some don't understand it yet and some are also genuine. But the people that do like the album and rate it highly I'm very confident that will remain because the album has substance that will make it sustain, I also think it will grow on some as they understand it more over time after gaining more knowledge and life experience.