Jason Kidd is one of the most overrated players ever

[Rekkapryde]

You dead wrong for this, breh.

No lies told tho

 

[LV Koopa]

Kidd was a great defensive player and really good as an orchestrator on the break.

His offense in the half court was absolutely garbage though. It took years for him to develop a respectable jumper. He was fortunate to play in the East during it's WOAT era, and since 99% of the Coli only pretends to watch basketball and instead lives off narratives, few knew how truly bad he was. Those Nets offenses were really, really, really bad. And while Kidd isn't purely at fault, he wasn't good enough on his own to lift that offense to levels most other GOAT level PGs could.

Nash, CP3, Magic, Steph, Isaiah, Dame, possibly even early career Westbrook would have done more on that Nets team offensively than Kidd could ever dream. He's VERY overrated offensively, but his defense was legit great.

 

[Bop Gun]

It seems you don't watch hoops either.

All this revisionist verbiage is making out like Kidd led those Nets teams against all odds to the Finals, when the truth is, the East was so bad back then that those teams wouldn't even get out the 1st round in the West. The early 2000s East was straight low-grade ass offense that the Nets only managed to come out the other side because of how good their defense was (which was also in part due to how bad offense was in their conference).

There's a reason why he didn't do a cotdamn thing in the West (for the first seven years of his career) before moving out East.

The Nets were 26-56 the year before Jason Kidd ended up with the Nets. His 1st Season with the team they go 52-30, the #1 Seed and go to the NBA Finals. That is MVP Performace right there.

The Nets were not being picked by any NBA Media Analysts to do anything but maybe sneak in as an 8th or 7th Seed at most. He took them to the Finals. The East being weak does not disprove Kidd took an extremely bad team the previous year, and turned them into Contenders immediately.

I've mentioned this in passing before, but since you are so adamant about it, what does this say about Shaq and the Lakers 3 Titles against the Pacers, Sixers, and Nets? Using your logic, you or anybody else better not EVER try to make out those Titles by LA as anything other than being Extremely Fortunate to face a Weak Eastern Conference. Don't you attempt to paint it any other way, this is your logic I'm using here.

Regardless of what you and the OP think, Jason Kidd is an All-Time Great and those Nets teams were fun to watch.

As an aside, Kidd first year with the Team, the Nets vastly overpaid for Todd McCullough of all people, and a couple years later, Alonzo Mourning pulled a bytch move and was granted his buyout to go to the Heat, after New Jersey took a big risk with signing him that no other team was going to take. And Thorn choosing not to prioritize Kenyon Martin was the real downfall of Kidd's NJ Era.

 

[xXMASHERXx]

Kidd was a great defensive player and really good as an orchestrator on the break.

His offense in the half court was absolutely garbage though. It took years for him to develop a respectable jumper. He was fortunate to play in the East during it's WOAT era, and since 99% of the Coli only pretends to watch basketball and instead lives off narratives, few knew how truly bad he was. Those Nets offenses were really, really, really bad. And while Kidd isn't purely at fault, he wasn't good enough on his own to lift that offense to levels most other GOAT level PGs could.

Nash, CP3, Magic, Steph, Isaiah, Dame, possibly even early career Westbrook would have done more on that Nets team offensively than Kidd could ever dream. He's VERY overrated offensively, but his defense was legit great.

Here is the answer to most overrated especially on the Coli

 

[LV Koopa]

Here is the answer to most overrated especially on the Coli

Let Mr.Top 75 live

 

[xXMASHERXx]

Let Mr.Top 75 live

I don't even dislike him as player. It's just amazing how he gets elevated for hitting one shot.

 

[LV Koopa]

It seems you don't watch hoops either.

All this revisionist verbiage is making out like Kidd led those Nets teams against all odds to the Finals, when the truth is, the East was so bad back then that those teams wouldn't even get out the 1st round in the West. The early 2000s East was straight low-grade ass offense that the Nets only managed to come out the other side because of how good their defense was (which was also in part due to how bad offense was in their conference).

There's a reason why he didn't do a cotdamn thing in the West (for the first seven years of his career) before moving out East.

Same thing when I argue with people about Iverson and that 2001 Philly run. Loaded defensive team that succeeded in the playoffs despite Iverson's terrible offensive game. By 2003 they were done.

 

[AlbertPullhoez]

He probably would've been in the GOAT PG convo if he goes to San Antonio instead of staying in Jersey

 

[Damnshow]

Malone came into the league in '86, so I wouldn't really classify him as of the last 30 years.

But to that point, I wouldn't even say he's that overrated anymore, well, not in this context. You'll find plenty of discussion around his playoff failures and his limited scoring skillset. The more time goes on, the less his career is romanticized and folks have come around to him not being that good. Whereas Kidd's overrated here because of how his ability and career are framed. Notice how the majority are coming in here up in arms at the very thought of him being overrated, when if an exact replica of him existed today, he'd probably be one of the most shytted on players on this board.

Why is there always such opposition to talking about his limitations? Why is there always constant excuses for how he didn't do shyt in the West? Why is there always excuses of how he couldn't run a high-level offense?

Oh you mean players drafted over the past 30 years?

Kidd is definitely outdated, and his coaching has been HORRIBLE, with that water spill out gif describing his entire coaching career perfectly.

The word overrated can mean a lot of things. I don't know what Coli likes overrating and underrating. In my opinion the most overrated players used to be either guys who won a big time individual award that put them in the very top tier list (like the MVP trophy) but their career in playoffs was underwhelming, or crazy talented guys who looked like a future franchise players in their first couple years and then their careers went nowhere (like Francis, Marbury, Vince, etc.).

Kidd was none of those two. He was top 3 in MVP voting for like once in his career, and he wasn't a total failure like guys like Marbury or Vince. Kidd didn't have a crazy stanbase to overrate him like the Vince Carter stanbase. The reason why I also mentioned Malone is because many consider him the greatest to never win a championship, some even put him in top 15 of all time, which I think is a total bullshyt.

Kidd was definitely lucky to be in his prime when NBA was at its lowest point since NBA + ABA days. He had limitations for sure, but he made to two finals as a franchise player. In that same shytty conference, Marbury couldn't, Baron Davis couldn't, Vince couldn't. And so on.

If people wanna call him overrated, that's fine, cause his outdated style in today's basketball just wouldn't be enough to carry a team to finals no way in hell. But in the universe where guys like Vince Carter exist, who had potential to be best in the league, but did absolutely nothing in playoffs since 2001, yet has a huge huge following base due to him being the GOAT dunker, I wouldn't call Kidd THE most overrated guy.

 

[El Bombi]

Is Jason Kidd better than Steph curry? I mean he’s a better defensive player right

Where was this defense when he was getting destroyed by elite PG’s

Breh, I'm a MAVS fan.

I have experience them both. (pause)

And Steve Nash was a fukking joke on defense. He gave up all of the points that he made back on the defensive side of the ball.

Also, Kidd actually played defense during that 2011 playoffs run. Something turnstile Nash would have never done in his career.

 

[Coli Hoecomb]

• NBA champion (2011)
• 10× NBA All-Star (1996, 1998, 2000–2004, 2007, 2008, 2010)
• 5× All-NBA First Team (1999–2002, 2004)
• All-NBA Second Team (2003)
• 4× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1999, 2001, 2002, 2006)
• 5× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2000, 2003–2005, 2007)
• NBA Co-Rookie of the Year (1995)
• NBA All-Rookie First Team (1995)
• 5× NBA assists leader (1999–2001, 2003, 2004)
• 2× NBA Sportsmanship Award (2012, 2013)

Stop it. Most overrated player of the last 30 years? GTFOH he never won an MVP let alone back to back like Steve Nash.

End Thread

 

[xXMASHERXx]

Oh you mean players drafted over the past 30 years?

Kidd is definitely outdated, and his coaching has been HORRIBLE, with that water spill out gif describing his entire coaching career perfectly.

The word overrated can mean a lot of things. I don't know what Coli likes overrating and underrating. In my opinion the most overrated players used to be either guys who won a big time individual award that put them in the very top tier list (like the MVP trophy) but their career in playoffs was underwhelming, or crazy talented guys who looked like a future franchise players in their first couple years and then their careers went nowhere (like Francis, Marbury, Vince, etc.).

Kidd was none of those two. He was top 3 in MVP voting for like once in his career, and he wasn't a total failure like guys like Marbury or Vince. Kidd didn't have a crazy stanbase to overrate him like the Vince Carter stanbase. The reason why I also mentioned Malone is because many consider him the greatest to never win a championship, some even put him in top 15 of all time, which I think is a total bullshyt.

Kidd was definitely lucky to be in his prime when NBA was at its lowest point since NBA + ABA days. He had limitations for sure, but he made to two finals as a franchise player. In that same shytty conference, Marbury couldn't, Baron Davis couldn't, Vince couldn't. And so on.

If people wanna call him overrated, that's fine, cause his outdated style in today's basketball just wouldn't be enough to carry a team to finals no way in hell. But in the universe where guys like Vince Carter exist, who had potential to be best in the league, but did absolutely nothing in playoffs since 2001, yet has a huge huge following base due to him being the GOAT dunker, I wouldn't call Kidd THE most overrated guy.

Yeah I don't get it either. There are plenty of players on the list of overrated ahead of Kidd. Hell you can argue that TMac, one of my all time favorite players, should be on the list before Kidd

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

The Nets were 26-56 the year before Jason Kidd ended up with the Nets. His 1st Season with the team they go 52-30, the #1 Seed and go to the NBA Finals. That is MVP Performace right there.

The Nets were not being picked by any NBA Media Analysts to do anything but maybe sneak in as an 8th or 7th Seed at most. He took them to the Finals. The East being weak does not disprove Kidd took an extremely bad team the previous year, and turned them into Contenders immediately.

I've mentioned this in passing before, but since you are so adamant about it, what does this say about Shaq and the Lakers 3 Titles against the Pacers, Sixers, and Nets? Using your logic, you or anybody else better not EVER try to make out those Titles by LA as anything other than being Extremely Fortunate to face a Weak Eastern Conference. Don't you attempt to paint it any other way, this is your logic I'm using here.

Regardless of what you and the OP think, Jason Kidd is an All-Time Great and those Nets teams were fun to watch.

As an aside, Kidd first year with the Team, the Nets vastly overpaid for Todd McCullough of all people, and a couple years later, Alonzo Mourning pulled a bytch move and was granted his buyout to go to the Heat, after New Jersey took a big risk with signing him that no other team was going to take. And Thorn choosing not to prioritize Kenyon Martin was the real downfall of Kidd's NJ Era.

Dont act like he was a singular addition going into that year. The following players started at least 35 games:

Starbury
Keith van horn
Kmart
Evan eschmeier (???)
Luscious Harris
Stephen Jackson
Johnny Newman started 17 games

The next year:
Jason kidd
Kvh
Kerry kittles
Todd maculloh
Kmart
With Richard Jefferson playing in every game and coming of age

The whole team was better. Obvious kidd was a part of it but he definitely benefitted from the pistons, Celtics, sixers, Knicks, and cavs all being down and the pacers being in a brief retool mode. As soon as the other teams got their shyt together kidd was over. Like I said, Billups especially destroyed him in every game that mattered

 

[El Bombi]

Regular season don't impress me. Nash has failed MULTIPLE times with VERY good teams in BOTH Dallas and Phoenix.

Kidd over Nash EASILY for me.

This

And don't get me started about his time in Dallas and how he used be fatigue and fade in the playoffs.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

For the question though I think the most overrated guards I can think of are Jason Kidd, John Stockton (no left, dribbles like an old man, never won a title, no achievements other than volume stats), and imo for very different reasons than everyone else...Gilbert arenas. But we can examine that elsewhere