Jason Kidd is one of the most overrated players ever

[Jplaya2023]

OP isn't entirely wrong. Being a 10x all-star at the time when the PG spot was nowhere neeaarrr as talented as it is now isn't THAT big of a deal.

You really typed this shyt with a straight facd

Here are a list of those PGs Kidd played against that is "nowhere neeaarrr as talented as it is now."

Tim Hardaway
Stockton
Payton
Nash
CP3

Baron Davis
Steve Francos
Stephon Marbury
Penny Hardaway
Rod Strickland
Iverson
Eyc..

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

And that Game 7 Loss you bring up, that was actually a Choke Job by the Nets, as they were up by I believe 20 in the 1st Quarter. Just didn't have an answer for Detroit's Bigs.

Kmart rj and kittles and Rodney Rogers were the only players in double figures . They only scored 14 points the entire 1st quarter . They got sonned and nobody on that roster was the same again.

 

[Tunez]

 

[Shadow King]

His percentages at the rim were a bit below the guys from his era who are lauded as great finishers. But terrible at the rim is an overstatement. A guard who's terrible at the rim is Chauncey, 6'3" 220 but 50% at the rim.

Kidd's jumper from outside is also on par with most perimeter stars from that era.

I won't speak on the rest.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

His percentages at the rim were a bit below the guys from his era who are lauded as great finishers. But terrible at the rim is an overstatement. A guard who's terrible at the rim is Chauncey, 6'3" 220 but 50% at the rim

How about kidds percentage everywhere but at the rim?

 

[LV Koopa]

No way I see playoff failures being brought up about Nash and Kidd getting a pass. He was one of the worst playoff performers of his generation

In all my years on the Coli NO ONE ever brought up a single great Jason Kidd playoff run. No mention of him when we talk of memorable playoff games. The only time he's mentioned even close to that regard is his rank on the 3pt made list and that's because he was shooting for so long despite being a terrible shooter he was bound to make the list.

 

[Shadow King]

How about kidds percentage everywhere but at the rim?

I accidentally posted before finishing, but his 3PT is no worse than most superstars from that era. Same as 16 ft to the arc. Short range he wasn't good.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Oh you mean players drafted over the past 30 years?

Kidd is definitely outdated, and his coaching has been HORRIBLE, with that water spill out gif describing his entire coaching career perfectly.

The word overrated can mean a lot of things. I don't know what Coli likes overrating and underrating. In my opinion the most overrated players used to be either guys who won a big time individual award that put them in the very top tier list (like the MVP trophy) but their career in playoffs was underwhelming, or crazy talented guys who looked like a future franchise players in their first couple years and then their careers went nowhere (like Francis, Marbury, Vince, etc.).

Kidd was none of those two. He was top 3 in MVP voting for like once in his career, and he wasn't a total failure like guys like Marbury or Vince. Kidd didn't have a crazy stanbase to overrate him like the Vince Carter stanbase. The reason why I also mentioned Malone is because many consider him the greatest to never win a championship, some even put him in top 15 of all time, which I think is a total bullshyt.

Kidd was definitely lucky to be in his prime when NBA was at its lowest point since NBA + ABA days. He had limitations for sure, but he made to two finals as a franchise player. In that same shytty conference, Marbury couldn't, Baron Davis couldn't, Vince couldn't. And so on.

If people wanna call him overrated, that's fine, cause his outdated style in today's basketball just wouldn't be enough to carry a team to finals no way in hell. But in the universe where guys like Vince Carter exist, who had potential to be best in the league, but did absolutely nothing in playoffs since 2001, yet has a huge huge following base due to him being the GOAT dunker, I wouldn't call Kidd THE most overrated guy.

Yeah I don't get it either. There are plenty of players on the list of overrated ahead of Kidd. Hell you can argue that TMac, one of my all time favorite players, should be on the list before Kidd

Overrated is relative here.

TMac is regularly talked about as being overrated because of the narrative around him not getting out of the 1st round, that is something which is constantly held against him. And it seems @Damnshow's critique of Vince is more about him not living up to expectations, rather than being directly overrated. Also it sounds like that perception is shaped by his personal experiences of whatever Vince's stanbase is/was. I can't say I've come across those folks.

In relation to Kidd's ability and how he's rated, you'd be hard pressed to find another player with a greater margin of difference.

He's heralded as one of the GOAT PGs despite never actually being great at what a point guard is supposed to do - lead the offense:

2001/02 Nets - 17th ranked offense (Kidd averaged 37 minutes)
2002/03 Nets - 18th ranked offense (Kidd averaged 37 minutes)
2003/04 Nets - 25th ranked offense (Kidd averaged 36 minutes)
2004/05 Nets - 26th ranked offense (Kidd averaged 36 minutes)
2005/06 Nets - 25th ranked offense (Kidd averaged 37 minutes)
2006/07 Nets - 16th ranked offense (Kidd averaged 36 minutes)
2007/08 Nets - 25th ranked offense (Kidd averaged 36 minutes).

At the very least players like Vince and TMac could score at a high level in accordance to their roles, and showed an ability to dominate a game. Meanwhile, not only couldn't Kidd even lead to his team to having a respectable offense, but he wasn't respected as an offensive threat either. Whatever hang-ups there are with the names y'all have mentioned, they pale in comparison to what Kidd was, in reality.

 

[Shadow King]

He’s a top 5 guard defensively. The Vince he played with was on the downslope. Byron Scott wasn’t a good coach and the offensive talent in New Jersey wasn’t great.

This is false. And I'm from Jersey so I'm not just talking.

 

[mastermind]

He probably would've been in the GOAT PG convo if he goes to San Antonio instead of staying in Jersey

That offense would have been terrible and in retrospect. The Spurs never had an elite offense until Parker got going. Parker didn't have a three-shot either, but he had a great pull-up jumper and was an elite finisher at the rim.

San Antonio would not have been as great with Kidd unless he developed a jumper off the dribble.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

He probably would've been in the GOAT PG convo if he goes to San Antonio instead of staying in Jersey

I already mentioned earlier in the thread, but I don't know if you're old enough (or if you've seen the footage), but go back and watch the '98 playoff series between the Suns and Spurs.

If that doesn't dead that opinion you have, well, I don't know what will.

 

[Street Knowledge]

He probably would've been in the GOAT PG convo if he goes to San Antonio instead of staying in Jersey

By riding Duncan’s coattails to championships? He’d be the third best offensive player on that team

 

[MJ Truth]

He's a top 10 point guard all time. No doubt a top 10 passer. Top 10 rebounder at the PG position. Top 10 in triples when he retired. Defended his position well.

He's not regarded as a top 25 player of all time so the hate is unwarranted.

Kidd is at worst the second best passer in history.

 

[Shadow King]

John Stockton is a better offensive player than Kidd so nothing would change

 

[Street Knowledge]

No way I see playoff failures being brought up about Nash and Kidd getting a pass. He was one of the worst playoff performers of his generation

In all my years on the Coli NO ONE ever brought up a single great Jason Kidd playoff run. No mention of him when we talk of memorable playoff games. The only time he's mentioned even close to that regard is his rank on the 3pt made list and that's because he was shooting for so long despite being a terrible shooter he was bound to make the list.

They never actually bring up Any great Kidd playoffs games or series, just that the team won