James Carville: It’s Time for a Daring Political Maneuver, Democrats "roll over and play dead. Allow the Republicans to crumble"

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Bernie Sanders is the person to follow for a good plan.

He is doing a step beyond what Carville is advocating. He is recognizing that Trump is hurting bunch of people including those who may have voted for him. But instead of sitting on his hands and doing nothing, he is capturing those aggrieved people and harnessing their anger and refocusing it on the true Ops who are fukking everyone, the billionaires.


If Democrats were smart they would work with Bernie to activate these people to support them but that would require willing to piss off their big money donors and side with everyday people in a class war against the elites. Instead, people like Hakeem Jeffries, decided to go court Silicon Valley billionaires to raise money and book tours instead.

Silicon Valley billionaires are the ones responsible for this mess and democrats will never beat Republicans in courting them because Republicans are offering them absolute power instead of close to it. Democrats will always come second place in that contest. Need to refocus on relying on small donors and individual contributions and being a true opposition.

Democrats can't serve two masters. Either serve the rich or serve everyday people. Pick one. Seems they are picking the rich and they will always lose to republicans in that contest.
 

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Bernie Sanders is the person to follow for a good plan.

He is doing a step beyond what Carville is advocating. He is recognizing that Trump is hurting bunch of people including those who may have voted for him. But instead of sitting on his hands and doing nothing, he is capturing those aggrieved people and harnessing their anger and refocusing it on the true Ops who are fukking everyone, the billionaires.


If Democrats were smart they would work with Bernie to activate these people to support them but that would require willing to piss off their big money donors and side with everyday people in a class war against the elites. Instead, people like Hakeem Jeffries, decided to go court Silicon Valley billionaires to raise money and book tours instead.

Silicon Valley billionaires are the ones responsible for this mess and democrats will never beat Republicans in courting them because Republicans are offering them absolute power instead of close to it. Democrats will always come second place in that contest. Need to refocus on relying on small donors and individual contributions and being a true opposition.

Democrats can't serve two masters. Either serve the rich or serve everyday people. Pick one. Seems they are picking the rich and they will always lose to republicans in that contest.

To add, here is a select quote from the article to emphasize why democrats will inevitably always lose trying to court the billionaire class:

But the moneyed tech world that Musk hails from is critical to Democrats’ fortunes in 2026.
“There is a significant fear that these tech folks, who have been with us for a long time, will say, ‘fukk it, we’re going with the other guys,’” said Alex Hoffman, a Democratic donor adviser who works with donors across the country but did not attend the event. “These donors are also pissed, watching former and current colleagues have unlimited, unchecked power, and getting richer off of this and they’re not.”
Democrats are “trying to mend fences and they’re also trying to keep them in the tent,” Hoffman added.

Why would I as a billionaire who wants unrestricted ability to gain wealth and power pick one party that does its best to give me what I want but is passing regulation and doing SOME things that hinder that versus a party that says they basically want to give me absolute power to accumulate wealth, kill regulations, kill unions, and even seem open to me using some slave like labor.

As an amoral capitalist, the latter is a winner every time.
 

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To add, here is a select quote from the article to emphasize why democrats will inevitably always lose trying to court the billionaire class:




Why would I as a billionaire who wants unrestricted ability to gain wealth and power pick one party that does its best to give me what I want but is passing regulation and doing SOME things that hinder that versus a party that says they basically want to give me absolute power to accumulate wealth, kill regulations, kill unions, and even seem open to me using some slave like labor.

As an amoral capitalist, the latter is a winner every time.
Yep. You can't out Republican a Republican. But Democrats damn sure keep trying.
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Now the Dems are the bad guys since you told'em to shut up?

Y'all cats don't know how this works. Get ya ass up and start showing Democrats how it's done.
:gucci:The voters already showed them how its done by leaving their asses with an L in November.… that's what happens when you goofies prioritize losing strategies and tell voters to “shut up and stop complaining”
The American people prefer Republicans :yeshrug: I don't like it but it is what it is
The democrats prefer converting American people to republicans :yeshrug:I don't like it but it is what it is
 

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You think being anti genocidal, being for universal healthcare, and hating the Cheney’s is a Trump endorsement?

I’ve figured it out…

You’re a Republican agent!
:picard:
Hasheesh is a know Trump sycophant...hes been cheering for him.

fukk’em if they can’t see the difference. Thats why I want Trump to start spanking ass and handing out L’s. Yall wanna be so goddamn opinionated?

Cool, go grab a shovel and get out of your hole.
 

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One of the central premises of this article is that the Democrats’ resistance strategy in Trump’s first term failed. I don’t really understand that argument. They won the House in 2018 and then won a trifecta in 2020.

Compare that to what happened during the first W. Bush term when they were frequently working with Republicans and “strategically retreating” with no political gains at all.

Just laying down and letting Republicans do whatever is not a good idea.
"Do Nothing Democrats"
 

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:gucci:The voters already showed them how its done by leaving their asses with an L in November.… that's what happens when you goofies prioritize losing strategies and tell voters to “shut up and stop complaining”

:mjtf:
Then why are you talking about the Democrats still and not working? You're talking about a party that's done, yet you don't want to engage with the Republicans.

Y'all are sounding like the "do nothing complainers."

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Then why are you talking about the Democrats still and not working? You're talking about a party that's done, yet you don't want to engage with the Republicans.
:mjtf: American taxpayer money “works” to pay their salaries dumb nikka.…go sit your babbling ass down somewhere and engage with lobotomy lmao at “don't talk about us no more, just give us your money” what an idiot
Y'all are sounding like the "do nothing complainers."

:francis:
You sounding like the “boot licking shills”

:francis:
 

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:mjtf: American taxpayer money “works” to pay their salaries dumb nikka.…go sit your babbling ass down somewhere and engage with lobotomy lmao at “don't talk about us no more, just give us your money” what an idiot

You sounding like the “boot licking shills”

:francis:

 

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How do I need to get a job when I just said my taxes pay the salaries of the white men you bootlick :mjlol:what a stereotypical incompetent buffoon muthafukka lmao


A “democrat” with bookmarked Trump content... Another day another grifting lunatic exposing himself
 

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If you think you can call republicans fascist, do nothing to slow them down, and then expect people to vote for the party who did nothing to fight against fascism :mjlol:

It’s insane.

(Lose election)

Dem politicians: This is your fault! We ain’t doing shyt.
:pacspit:

70 million Dem voters in 2024:
:why:

(2026 midterms rolls around…)

Dem politicians: Vote for us
:wtf: :flabbynsick:

The American people;
:childplease: :dahell: :unimpressed::dead::russell:
 

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How do I need to get a job when I just said my taxes pay the salaries of the white men you bootlick :mjlol:what a stereotypical incompetent buffoon muthafukka lmao


A “democrat” with bookmarked Trump content... Another day another grifting lunatic exposing himself

What's incompetent is expecting people you labeled "do nothing Democrats" -- that told you (your words) to "shut up and stop complaining," which is why you made them lose in November -- to turn around and do something that you're asking.

That is incompetence because you know they (1) aren't going to do nothing and (2) don't listen to you. So, what exactly are you wailing about right now?

Put the macchiato down, uncross ya legs, lace them shoes up, and get out there and do the work the Democrats refuse to do. Show us how it's done.

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I already answered this question, the fact that you cannot comprehend the value of eliminating incompetence and weak branding strategies from the likes of James Carville kind of sums up why the cyclical nature of failure from the democrats will continue to happen.…you like losing you can't break from it.…you reduce everything to economic anxiety yet the democracts spent all last cycle bragging on how great the economy was :mjlol:


Yet you claim there's not a disconnect in the messaging lmao just completely confused and disconnected babble...

Then you claim that its because the majority of voters are white.…when has that not been the case? They haven't won the white vote since LBJ… Lmao

You claim that they have the right media outlets because of Joe Rogan while ironically in a thread from the New York times who has over 11 million subscribers giving a platform to this old decrepit buffoon James Carville telling democrats to brand themselves as the do nothing party :mjlol: Like what the fukk are you talking about.… having a platform to disseminate information means nothing if the information is shyt that people don't want to hear.…and I can assure you people do not want to hear how you’re creating a party strategy around how weak you are….its totally asinine… and if its not the message and its the messenger that people don't want to hear from what you're actually saying is that the democrats have failed to elevate the proper leaders of their party.. starting at the top of their ticket..either way its a sign of embarrassing incompetence

You claim the republicans also “did nothing” when Obama was president which is laughable.…they completely shifted even deeper to the right.…kicked off the tea party movement... platformed people like Sarah Palin... got rid of several of their former leaders including the Coup de grâce in packing up Boehner...I could go on and on.…how do you think they actually won their midterms in 2010? Why do you think that happened? Because they went out and told people “we can't do nothings yall” ? Lmao.… you're all over the place with excuse after excuse and yapping about nothing nikka
Im trying to be respectful but you type like you wear a crop top and pink light-up sketchers. To the point:

-I never defended Carville. Stick to the point and quit inferring. In the case of the strategy he is talking about. He is correct in that Democrats should not be like cats chasing laser pointers trying to constantly play defense on Trump. It unfortunately conditions people to tune out. People tuning out as part of why Trump won. It’s even worse with Democrats who tried to meet in the middle and completely make it look like the people who said Trump was a threat was either lying or have given up.

-the article you posted was the definition of economic anxiety. Post Covid we had a K shaped recovery. Those who are doing well before Covid we’re doing even better after and those we’re doing poorly. We’re doing even more so. Unfortunately, the systemic changes that Biden was touting are slow and are harder to defend for people who need solutions now. The chips act would be a gigantic boon for stateside semiconductor manufacturing. In my state, we have data centers opening up that will provide many jobs and helps solidify infrastructure for data storage and processing capability for LLM’s. For regular people, they are not trying to hear that because they have pressing concerns like the price of groceries. We had the best post Covid recovery on earth. Unfortunately, people felt differently from how things were actually going. It’s like how the price of eggs would have made Someone vote for Trump Even though the reason they are expensive is more complicated than “the president sucks“. Telling people things would get batter in the near future was not enough, even if it was absolutely true. Unfortunately, that message has to proliferate through the right media and influencers. Otherwise, the people who might care really don’t know. Democrats have a weak media infrastructure which has been an issue for decades now. I literally illustrated they’re being a disconnect with Democrats not being in the right places. That is covered by the Oprah 2.6 million views for Kamala versus Trump‘s 56 million views with Joe Rogan.

-We both agree that nobody wants to hear that the party is weak. Where we seem to differ is recognizing that one party literally does not have the ability within the system to stop what is happening. As for the white people vote, you can check the statistics and see how education lines up with who voted for Who. The people less willing to hear out the thoughtful answers are an ironically, the least educated, and a great number of them are white. One problem with you bringing up the New York Times is that ignores how much more things proliferate via social media which is governed by algorithms. I’m not gonna belabor that point.

- Your Tea Party point is moot also. do you know how often congress flips for encumbants?


Although a single party in charge in Washington is common at the beginning of a new president’s term, there has only been one presidency since 1969 where control has lasted beyond the following midterm election. That was during Democratic President Jimmy Carter’s one term in office, when Democrats retained leadership of the House and Senate in both the 95th and the 96th Congress (1977-1978 and 1979-1980). Republican George W. Bush also enjoyed single-party control for several years (during the 108th and 109th Congress, spanning 2003-2006), but not at the beginning of his tenure.

The noteworthy part of Obama losing his congress was to whom: the Tea Party. You know, the Koch Brothers funded astroturfed caucus meant to stifle Obama? It literally was put together to end bipartisanship in Congress and gamble that they could get the white house back by saying no to everything. The two years before that was trying to play catchup after Bush and they pushed make Obama a one-term President, literally out of Mitch McConnell’s mouth. They literally did nothing for the people but yell about Obama until the house flipped and then wentnon a campaign of “no.” Unfortunately, Democratic voters are not as easily satisfied as Republicans: Dem voters want their guys to do something. Republicans are ok with Republicans just saying no to anything Dems want. Don’t believe me? I can show you the history of how unproductive congress has been since Newt Gingrich changed political in the 90s. Americans vote in opposition to the President all the time. The Tea Party was a billionaire funded “fukk you” to Obama which lead to Trump.

Lastly, I asked YOU what they should do. Pretend you are in Carvilles seat. I answered what they should do. You said toss out bums like carville (I agree). What should they do? I understood what you said, but you said nothing.

”How do we win this game, coach?”

Coach “Don’t listen to me :mjlol:

Nah, what should they actually be doing?
 
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