James Brown is the father of hip hop, so who is the mother ?

[Jesus Is Lord]

I also heard people say Teena Marie for her rap part in Square Biz. I think it was on her Unsung episode.

Who said this shyt??!?

I’ve literally never heard anyone mention the great Tina Marie as the mother of hip hop. Why? Because she spit bars on Square Biz? Blondie spit bars too in Rapture before Tina.

There were females who actual rapped back then but then didn’t give chicks any RADIO love until close to 1985. The mother of hip hop MUSIC is unknown. But Sha Rock was the first to come to mind rapping wise.

 

[Rhapscallion Démone]

Who said this shyt??!?

It was on either Unsung or on another show.

 

[Mtt]

Who said this shyt??!?

I’ve literally never heard anyone mention the great Tina Marie as the mother of hip hop. Why? Because she spit bars on Square Biz? Blondie spit bars too in Rapture before Tina.

There were females who actual rapped back then but then didn’t give chicks any RADIO love until close to 1985. The mother of hip hop MUSIC is unknown. But Sha Rock was the first to come to mind rapping wise.

good point , you also had Pebblee Poo a female MC at the time 1970's also you had one of the first recording female trio signed to Sugar Hill Records group called Sequence with Angie Stone being in the group cool old school website Old School Hip Hop

 

[Cadillac]

The idea of Teena Marie(it having a White mom) being the mother of hip hop is crazy

That would mean if Hip hop was a person it would look like J Cole/Drake/Joyner Lucas

 

[I Really Mean It]

Etta James.

 

[TEH]

Ain’t no mother. Hip Hop is motherless. That’s why it’s so rough

Facts

Just some hoes who came through

 

[Clayton Endicott]

Probably Millie Jackson

Music Sermon: Millie Jackson - The Original Bad Girl
March 17, 2019 - 12:16 pm
by Naima Cochrane

You know that auntie who you were nervous to bring your young male friends around back in the day because she might proposition them in the kitchen when nobody was looking? Or the auntie liable to cuss out a family member or two after dinner for something that happened 12 years ago? The one that women in your family whispered about, warning not to leave men around alone? Who your mama didn’t want you to spend too much time with, but you were always excited to see because she was entertaining and was gonna slip you a little pocket change?

That auntie listens to Millie Jackson.

Millie Jackson is not just an R&B singer. She’s a Rhythm & Blues singer. She’s card party music. Your parents having people over and you’re not allowed to come downstairs music. Working class black folks hanging out down at the VFW after a long week with some well liquor music.

She’s been called “the queen of raunchy soul” and “the Godmother of rap,” because of her signature, no-holds-barred lyrical content and her long “raps” – profanity-laced, sexually explicit stories and jokes – interwoven through her songs and live sets. Auntie Millie is part singer and part outrageous comedienne – but don’t take her as a joke. She’s a deceptively serious artist, with career highlights that went largely unnoticed because of the raunch.

In our continued celebration of bad-ass women in music for the month of March, we present 11 essential Auntie Millie facts.

Music Sermon: Millie Jackson - The Original Bad Girl

Was coming in here to say her
Nice to see some folks in the know

 

[IllmaticDelta]

moms mabley

in 1958 doing that 6 in the Mornin/PSK/Boyz In The Hood cadence



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and then Millie Jackson

 

[Grand Eeezus Maxwell]

Lyn Collins?

Nina Simone?

Billie Holliday?

Definitely Lyn Collins. Her music goes/went hard af.

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

There is no rap/Hip Hop industry without Sylvia Robinson. In essence, it is her creation.

The Rise and Fall of Hip-Hop's First Godmother: Sugar Hill Records' Sylvia Robinson
From the first rap single to sell a million to the first scratching on record, Sylvia Robinson created the template for hip-hop’s world domination. Her genius for production built an empire. Her bad business burned it down.

By Dan Charnas
10/17/2019

In 1960, a 25-year-old performer-songwriter named Sylvia Vanderpool Robinson -- then of the guitar-and-vocal duo Mickey & Sylvia, known for their million-selling “Love Is Strange” -- walked into a recording studio in Manhattan to work with a New Orleans artist named Joe Jones on a tune he called “You Talk Too Much.”

Sylvia Robinson walked out a record producer.

She did not receive credit for the session, one she claimed that she had run on behalf of Jones’ label, Morris Levy’s Roulette Records. If she had, it might have cemented her as the first-ever black and female independent record producer to have a top 10 pop hit. (The song peaked at No. 3 on the Billboard Hot 100.)

Instead, Sylvia would become famous for another breakthrough: conceiving and producing the first successful rap record. Forty years ago, in the summer of 1979, “Rapper’s Delight” by The Sugarhill Gang transformed the street culture of hip-hop into a commercially viable art form. It was not only the first rap single to conquer the radio and the charts -- topping Billboard’s R&B tally and reaching No. 37 on the Hot 100 -- but the first to sell over a million. After facing criticism from hip-hop’s pioneers for fabricating The Sugarhill Gang from three wannabe rappers, Robinson filled out her roster with genuine acts: Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five, The Funky 4 + 1, The Treacherous Three. Within a few years, she had built one of the top independent labels in America, Sugar Hill Records, along with her husband, Joe Robinson.

Her success with Sugar Hill was historic. She’s arguably one of the most consequential producers and label owners of all time. Her business opened the doors for all the independents that followed from Def Jam to Top Dawg, and her music pioneered distinct concepts that set the template for hip-hop’s entire creative arc. From party rocking, to the DJ as musician, to social consciousness, Sugar Hill made everything possible for today’s hip-hop stars.

She was celebrated as “the Queen of Rap,” but success did not erase the slighting of her earliest production work, which included “It’s Gonna Work Out Fine,” the 1961 hit that earned Ike & Tina Turner their first Grammy Award nomination. “I paid for the session, taught Tina the song; that’s me playing guitar,” she said in a 1981 interview with trade magazine Black Radio Exclusive. Production credit went instead to Sue Records owner Juggy Murray.

The Rise and Fall of Hip-Hop's First Godmother: Sugar Hill Records' Sylvia Robinson

 

[Mtt]

In your opinion, who would be elevated to the status of being considered the Mother of hip hop? and why?

had this discussion years ago and want to see who people name.

Probably Millie Jackson

Music Sermon: Millie Jackson - The Original Bad Girl
March 17, 2019 - 12:16 pm
by Naima Cochrane

You know that auntie who you were nervous to bring your young male friends around back in the day because she might proposition them in the kitchen when nobody was looking? Or the auntie liable to cuss out a family member or two after dinner for something that happened 12 years ago? The one that women in your family whispered about, warning not to leave men around alone? Who your mama didn’t want you to spend too much time with, but you were always excited to see because she was entertaining and was gonna slip you a little pocket change?

That auntie listens to Millie Jackson.

Millie Jackson is not just an R&B singer. She’s a Rhythm & Blues singer. She’s card party music. Your parents having people over and you’re not allowed to come downstairs music. Working class black folks hanging out down at the VFW after a long week with some well liquor music.

She’s been called “the queen of raunchy soul” and “the Godmother of rap,” because of her signature, no-holds-barred lyrical content and her long “raps” – profanity-laced, sexually explicit stories and jokes – interwoven through her songs and live sets. Auntie Millie is part singer and part outrageous comedienne – but don’t take her as a joke. She’s a deceptively serious artist, with career highlights that went largely unnoticed because of the raunch.

In our continued celebration of bad-ass women in music for the month of March, we present 11 essential Auntie Millie facts.

Music Sermon: Millie Jackson - The Original Bad Girl

You have to understand that dj existed before hip hop, rhyming words like millie jackson also existed before "rap" and hip hop. Writing on walls existed before hip hop. However, HipHop is a "culture" . Hip Hop is taking different existing elements making it into their own culture. Hip hop consisted of graffiti,B-Boys-breakdancing,mc,dj. Rap is just "one" element of (hip hop). Millie Jackson was not hip hop but you can find "rhyming" long before her. Salute to her and others but hop hip took various "existing" elements to create their own genre and "culture".rap is only "one" element.


All I'm focusing on is 1970's formation hip hop history I'll mention a few names as too many to mention.

Example: james brown did not start hop hop. Dj's "used" James Brown and other music to create " break beats" parts of the music that B-Boys (Breakdancers) like and repeated that distinctive sound. James Brown was influential when Dj's used whatever music that was around before including James Brown . Hence why the name Afrika Bambatta name comes into the picture. He was one of the few dj that started "break beats". There were other dj and Breakdancers came out all at the same time .I will name a few notables cause I don't want to write alot below: also Afrika Bambatta was not the only DJ to make "break beats" but he was popular and his zulu nation was popular and each dj had their "crews".


Hence why dj's like grandmaster Caz, Bambatta, DJ Kool Herc who is known to many as godfather of hip hop with jamaican roots who was one of the 1st to play music with speakers out in the park on the hip hop tip that influence many and he also had his own crew,you had guys like Dj Disco Whiz who was Puerto Rican was part of the first hip hop collective Mighty Force Crew headed by GrandMaster Caz. Grandmaster Caz and Disco Whiz helped create the first rap mix of adding sound affects,pauses in the tape recordings .

Caz later formed Cold Crush Brothers with Charlie Chase was Puerto Rican DJ to show how Bronx was a melting pot . You had pioneers of the scratching dj technique like Grand Wizard Theodore. The second ever hip hop album pressed to distribute was from the first ever hip hop and black record label Sugar Hill Records Mrs. Sylvia Robinson. Her parents from Virgin Islands and married black businessesman. Her label had wide range of legendary groups . playing large speakers in the park ,you had Breakdancers and graffiti artists all within the same group. Dj's had their group battling each other .they had no "hip hop " based sound hence why james Brown funk then Disco,some R&B and then electro, and experimenting sampling was used in hip hop.

The sad part people think the first female rapper and first female rap group was Salt and Pepper or Roxanne Shantel. Folks only focus on 90's hip hop and disregarding the importance of the creation of hip hop culture that was shunned by mainstream even urban radio at one point.

 

[Mtt]

There is no rap/Hip Hop industry without Sylvia Robinson. In essence, it is her creation.

The Rise and Fall of Hip-Hop's First Godmother: Sugar Hill Records' Sylvia Robinson
From the first rap single to sell a million to the first scratching on record, Sylvia Robinson created the template for hip-hop’s world domination. Her genius for production built an empire. Her bad business burned it down.

By Dan Charnas
10/17/2019

In 1960, a 25-year-old performer-songwriter named Sylvia Vanderpool Robinson -- then of the guitar-and-vocal duo Mickey & Sylvia, known for their million-selling “Love Is Strange” -- walked into a recording studio in Manhattan to work with a New Orleans artist named Joe Jones on a tune he called “You Talk Too Much.”

Sylvia Robinson walked out a record producer.

She did not receive credit for the session, one she claimed that she had run on behalf of Jones’ label, Morris Levy’s Roulette Records. If she had, it might have cemented her as the first-ever black and female independent record producer to have a top 10 pop hit. (The song peaked at No. 3 on the Billboard Hot 100.)

Instead, Sylvia would become famous for another breakthrough: conceiving and producing the first successful rap record. Forty years ago, in the summer of 1979, “Rapper’s Delight” by The Sugarhill Gang transformed the street culture of hip-hop into a commercially viable art form. It was not only the first rap single to conquer the radio and the charts -- topping Billboard’s R&B tally and reaching No. 37 on the Hot 100 -- but the first to sell over a million. After facing criticism from hip-hop’s pioneers for fabricating The Sugarhill Gang from three wannabe rappers, Robinson filled out her roster with genuine acts: Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five, The Funky 4 + 1, The Treacherous Three. Within a few years, she had built one of the top independent labels in America, Sugar Hill Records, along with her husband, Joe Robinson.

Her success with Sugar Hill was historic. She’s arguably one of the most consequential producers and label owners of all time. Her business opened the doors for all the independents that followed from Def Jam to Top Dawg, and her music pioneered distinct concepts that set the template for hip-hop’s entire creative arc. From party rocking, to the DJ as musician, to social consciousness, Sugar Hill made everything possible for today’s hip-hop stars.

She was celebrated as “the Queen of Rap,” but success did not erase the slighting of her earliest production work, which included “It’s Gonna Work Out Fine,” the 1961 hit that earned Ike & Tina Turner their first Grammy Award nomination. “I paid for the session, taught Tina the song; that’s me playing guitar,” she said in a 1981 interview with trade magazine Black Radio Exclusive. Production credit went instead to Sue Records owner Juggy Murray.

The Rise and Fall of Hip-Hop's First Godmother: Sugar Hill Records' Sylvia Robinson

The FatBack Band was the first hip hop "record album" made into a "record" 1979 before Sugar Hill...

The song "King Tim III (Personality Jock)" is often considered to be the first commercially released rap single, having shipped just a week before The Sugarhill Gang's "Rapper's Delight" in October 1979.

Sugar Hill broke grounds as the First ever hip hop label and also black owned label.

Rap existed years prior to it before being on records/albums label. Her roster broke new grounds and help push hip hop nationally . Even singer Angie Stone was in the group Sequence ,one of the first hip hop female rap group years before Salt & Pepa.

Without Sylvia Hip Hop and or Rap music would have still continued to exist cause rap music was out there locally within NYC. it's just that she made the leap to put out the first "rap" label to put out records. She deserve her hall of fame.

Read the previous post I posted explaining further..

 

[Dynamite James]

Definitely Lyn Collins. Her music goes/went hard af.

James brown produced those records

 

[Ziggiy]

Ain’t no mother. Hip Hop is motherless. That’s why it’s so rough

 

[get these nets]

The FatBack Band was the first hip hop "record album" made into a "record" 1979 before Sugar Hill...

The song "King Tim III (Personality Jock)" is often considered to be the first commercially released rap single, having shipped just a week before The Sugarhill Gang's "Rapper's Delight" in October 1979.

Sugar Hill broke grounds as the First ever hip hop label and also black owned label.

Rap existed years prior to it before being on records/albums label. Her roster broke new grounds and help push hip hop nationally . Even singer Angie Stone was in the group Sequence ,one of the first hip hop female rap group years before Salt & Pepa.

Without Sylvia Hip Hop and or Rap music would have still continued to exist cause rap music was out there locally within NYC. it's just that she made the leap to put out the first "rap" label to put out records. She deserve her hall of fame.

Read the previous post I posted explaining further..

Disagree to a degree about the "with or without" part.
People over a certain age will remember,and understand, when rap was being written off as a phase or trend.
Part of the reason it was viewed like that, was because other music genres or styles had blown up, and then tossed aside by youth culture or by the mainstream.
Disco took over the mainstream for a few years, and then it was discarded. It still existed, among the circles that created it, but it went dormant for a while until it evolved into something else.

I think that without the music being out on wax, that rapping might have died out. It was part of youth culture and as the main people got older, the younger kids might have gravitated towards something else. People outside of metro NYC would have not been exposed to it, and it might have stayed a local thing....like GoGo in metro DC area.

I also think that if RUNDMC didn't emerge as national, and international superstars, that rap would have phased out to an extent, Record labels seeing the global youth response to rap is what lead them to sign more acts, and for people to create their own labels.