James Brown is the father of hip hop, so who is the mother ?

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

Tapes were the main revenue for late 70's early 80's. 1979 records albums being made and the yes you are right sugar Hill and happy they were black were pivot moving rap forward. As times went by graffiti, Breakdancers, Unfortunately were no longer on the same platform as everyone want s to rap to make money and unfortunately mainstream tried to put those elements of hip hop on the map with movies etc but those elements stayed underground. I agree with all you said.reapect

Likewise. Your analysis is totally on-point.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

To be fair, I see where your coming from with the cool references that I respect. I think folks generally speaking think it was james brown and then folks "Skip" other elements of hip hop culture and people making it into a "culture" a movement that made them different than folks outside that circle
Again you would have to ask yourself who were the dj's taking james brown and other music and creating "break beats" the part of these songs the dj's liked and Breakdancers dancers danced to.

What we now know as "breaks" was pioneered by James' Funk foundation.




Early Bboys rocked to these songs as early as 1969/1971, something Herc himself has acknowledged

Who were the first generation Breakdancers,

the first bboys are from around 1969-1971, again by Herc's own admission, something that Kurtis Blow even called hiphop/historians out on!:

Herc:

When did you start to get involved in it?

I started to get involved in it right after my house got burned down. I was going to parties back then, see. A place called the Tunnel and a place called the Puzzle, right on 161st Street – that was the first disco I used to party at. Me, guys like Phase 2, Stay High, Sweet Duke, Lionel 163 – all the early graffiti writers – used to come through there. It’s where we used to meet up and party at.

Then, years later, [there was this club] called Disco Fever. Disco Fever used to be right here on 167th. But before Disco Fever there was the Puzzle. That was the first Bronx disco.


So back then you still weren’t playing?

I was dancing, I was partying. Right around 1970, I’m in high school.

That was when b-boying was starting?


Yeah, people were dancing, but they weren’t calling it b-boying. That was just the break, and people would go off. My terms came in after I started to play – I called them b-boys. Guys just used to breakdance… Right then, slang was in, and we shortened words down. Instead of disrespect, you know, you dissed me. That’s where that came from.

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to add to that, kurtis blow says he saw/heard bboying and hiphop was around in 71 before herc's parties in 73

What do you consider the anniversary of Hip-Hop?

Kurtis Blow: Hip-Hop, to me, started around 1971, 1972. When I was thirteen years old, I gave my first party as a DJ at my good friend - Tony Rome's - 13th birthday party. I put two component sets together (back in the day, a component set was a TV, a radio, an 8 track player and a record player). So I took my mom’s component set and I took it to his house where his mom had a component set. We put both of them together and we had continuous music... and it was awesome. Awesome party. That was way before I knew that there were 2 turntables, and mixing, and continuous music that way. But in '72 I had this idea - We’re going to do this thing nonstop where we wouldn’t have to talk in-between the records and we could just make it happen. And so that was that was the first time I actually DJ'd. I was also was a B-Boy in 1972. But no disrespect to Kool Herc. If we want to claim that the start of Hip-Hop is 1973, I’ll go with it. And big ups to Kool Herc and that very first party, that back to school jam he gave with his sister Cindy back in 1973.

Kurtis Blow | Q&A | Celebrating 40 Years of Hip-Hop | PBS

the first generation graffiti

not really a part of HipHop...that was grouped into HipHop later on because many of influential pioneers in HipHop were into graffiti before HipHop came along


What does graffiti have to do with hip-hop?

and MC/Rappers?

First MC's/rappers in the style that came to be HipHop were from early 1970s overground/non-gay Disco scene



Caz:

"Dj Hollywood was the blueprint for the syncopated (rapping) style"

Why is the term B-Boys used in hip hop ?

You see my point?
Hip hop is taking what is already existed making a creation into their own by taking different elements.
Dj's existed before hip hop,rhyming spoken word existed before hip hop,writing on walls existed going back to ancient times.

The rhyming black overground disco dj's with 2 turntables and a mixer is basically where HipHop began.

Spoiler

They were different from the underground BLACK GAY disco scene that people like Larry Levan and Frankie Knuckles came from

As I stated earlier, james brown records as AND other records was used in early 70's by some dj's who crafting "break beats" cause hip hop don't have a defined sound.mc's/rappers and dj's would play funk then Disco then electro and whatever at the time.

Early HipHop (before it had a name) did have a sound based in Funk and Funky-Disco

hence why names like Grandmaster Caz,Afrika Bambatta, Grand Wizard Theodore, Dj Disco Wiz,Kool Herc and many other dj were often mentioned and of course graffiti artists and Breakdancers and the word BBoy came into existence to existence concentrated on early nyc particularly the Bronx. All early to mid 70's.

HipHop as a culture of 4 elements was codified between 1975-1980 but the culture was around since at least 1971

That's why you won't find "hip hop" culture not just rapping that pre-dates the time period I wrote. The information and history is easy to find.most folks from back then are still alive.

BBOY Cholly Rock on the street "jams" later being coined HipHop: "If a baby is born in 1960 but you don't name until 1963, it's still born in 1960 but you just didn't give it a name"



Luv Bug coined the term "HipHop" and he was from the Dj Hollywood scene

 

[feelosofer]

I would lean towards Nina Simone, especially if you're talking on the more consious end of things, but Stylistically Millie Jackson's stuff was really was a bridge between funk/soul and hiphop

 

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[Taadow]

Sylvia Robinson (Co founder of Sugar Hill Records) is usually regarded & unanimously considered as the mother of hip-hop for being the one to help The Sugar Hill Gang come together and create Rappers Delight which is the first mainstream hip-hop song to gain attention.

Came in to say this.


She is literally the first Hip-Hop record producer.
For better or worse - she bought Rap into the music industry, which she learned from being an artist herself.
Melle Mel said she gave them the assignment to make a record about what was really going on in the street - and when they made “The Message” he didn’t want to put it out. She is behind two of the most important records in the genre/world. I can’t think of any woman who has a better case than her.


The only other woman with a legit case as The Mother Of Hip-Hop is “Roxanne”.

 

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Interesting take from Kid Capri. Slightly different, but along the lines of what the premise and question of the thread is.

There was an old discussion about Gospel music here, and it revealed the split on the forum between members who genuinely care about topics and those that just Google and giggle, like children.
That discussion involved the elements, influences, and major cultivation cities for what became gospel. You had to educate one of the chief Google and giggle guys about a topic he clearly knew nothing about.

It's written in stone at this point where hip hop was cultivated and by whom. The Bronx, those parties, and Herc.

But in terms of being a major precursor, major element, and major influence, JB's DNA is all over it.

 

[Luke Cage]

I thought that title was given to Mary j

 

[The Dust King]

my answer would be dione warwick or aretha franklin

i will now read the thread, excellent premise

 

[The Fade]

James Brown

and the Miles Davis On The Corner album which was the precursor to Hip Hop, electronic music, Dubstep. We didn’t get dubbing techniques from Jamaica, it was already here

 

[KingsOfKings]

Good thread

 

[Laidbackman]

Why did they name that music hip hop in the first place. It always felt like they gave it that childish name because it wasn't in the same class as jazz, soul, r&b, or funk. Hip hop made you think of some game that children played outside somewhere. It was on the same level as children playing hop scotch on the sidewalk. They use to have this saying for little children that went "hippity hoppity", which made you imagine a child skipping around, or skipping on the way home from school. It seemed like they named this type music hip hop for angry children, or angry late teens coming out of high school, trying to express themselves. It seemed like society took away their future. I was on the tail end of the funk genre, and even I didn't feel like I had much of a future after dropping out of college, and trying to hold on to minimum wage security guard jobs, 20 miles away, with no public transportation, driving an old hooptie with a dragging muffler, and bad brakes I couldn't afford to fix, knowing they would fire me if it ever broke down, or for any reason they wanted too, while barely making my half of the rent. Meanwhile, going back to school was off the table, and the only future I had was landing a high paid security job somewhere, or becoming a cop, which I didn't want to be.

Anyway, this was a time when Regan was in office, cutting programs, and calling Black women welfare queens, while flooding all the hoods with drugs and weapons. I guess nobody thought that name "hip hop" would last up until now, where that same crew are now in their mid 40's and 50's. Most of the world didn't even expect that generation after mine to even make it this far in life, without getting incarcerated, or worst. That's why they called them Generation X.

Btw James Brown will always be the godfather of soul, his original title.

 

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