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Most def agree with the bold. As is, there are too many HBCUs that simply won't stand a chance against flagship state-schools and PWIs. Consolidation will allow a pooling of resources, which will def help in the long term.

No reason for at least one HBCU to be able to compete against anyone across the board, both for undergrad and grad. Not saying its going to be easy, and it absolutely will not, but it needs to happen.

It could probably be something like how California has their University System, I think when it comes to Private HBCUs they should form some kind of system where they are all under the same HBCU University system because if I understand correctly there is no State vs out of state tuition differences when it comes to private schools since they arent funded by states in the same way Public HBCUs are. IMO there should be one in each Region (NE, SE,SW,etc). But you already know the HBCU old guard dont want to give up their cushy positions.
 

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We're a group of friends that most of us have been gone to both PWI and HBCUs, HBCUs are far behind majority of the time.

That's that insecurity speaking, you feel like criticism of HBCUs is criticism of you or your intelligence. It's okay, just being honest about the quality of these schools.

Was considering Xavier but didn't wanna leave Texas. Xavier is one of the 4-5 that are worth a damn.
Survey finds big differences between black HBCU graduates, those who attended other institutions
Black graduates of historically black colleges and universities are significantly more likely to have felt supported while in college and to be thriving afterwards than are their black peers who graduated from predominantly white institutions,according to the newest data from an ongoing Gallup-Purdue University study.

The survey -- which is the largest of its kind and has now collected data from 50,000 college alumni over two years -- attempts to measure whether colleges are doing enough to help students’ well-being in life after they graduate. It measures five “elements of well-being,” described as social, financial, purpose, community and physical elements. The survey also asks graduates if they remember having had a professor who cared about them, made them excited to learn or encouraged them to follow their dreams -- which Gallup refers to collectively as being “emotionally supported” while in college.

Brandon Busteed, executive director of Gallup Education and Workforce Development, said that while HBCUs continue to lag other colleges and universities in many other areas, the data in the newest Gallup-Purdue report should come as “positive news” for the struggling institutions.

“There are still noticeable challenges around completion rates and loan default rates, and this data doesn’t change that,” Busteed said. “But this data does add a whole new dimension to the conversation about the value of HBCUs. Black students are having very meaningful experiences at HBCUs, compared to black graduates from everywhere else.”

About 55 percent of black HBCU graduates said they “strongly agreed” that their college or university “prepared them well for life outside of college,” compared to less than 30 percent of non-HBCU black graduates. More than half of HBCU graduates reported “thriving in purpose well-being,” compared to 43 percent of black graduates from non-HBCUs.

While 29 percent of black graduates who did not attend an HBCU said they were “thriving in financial well-being,” 51 percent of black HBCU graduates reported doing so. Black graduates of HBCUs were more than twice as likely as those who graduated from predominantly white institutions to recall feeling supported by a professor.

According to an earlier report based on the Gallup-Purdue study, if graduates recalled “supportive relationships with professors and mentors,” they were twice as likely to say their education was worth the price.

Nearly 50 percent of all college graduates who accumulated $25,000 or more in student debt said they strongly agreed that college was worth it if they had those kinds of relationships, the survey found. For recent graduates with high debt who could not recall having a supportive relationship with a professor or staff member, only 25 percent strongly agreed.

About half of black HBCU graduates said their college or university was “the perfect school” for them, compared to 34 percent of non-HBCU black alumni. Nearly half said they couldn’t “imagine a world” without the HBCU they attended. Only 25 percent of black graduates of predominantly white institutions agreed.

The report, which was prepared by nonprofit student loan guarantor USA Funds, included responses from alumni who graduated between 1940 and 2011. Gallup said the sample size was not large enough to examine differences between recent graduates and all respondents.

“Although HBCUs are struggling in a number of areas, their overall success in providing black graduates with a better college experience than they would get at non-HBCUs needs to be examined more closely, and potentially modeled, at other institutions,” the researchers wrote. “The profoundly different experiences that black graduates of HBCUs and black graduates of non-HBCUs are having in college leave the HBCU graduates feeling better prepared for life after graduation, potentially leading them to live vastly different lives outside of college.”

When the researchers turned their attention to other minority groups and types of institutions, the gaps were not nearly as striking.

When asked if their professors cared about them as a person, 28 percent of Hispanic students who attended a Hispanic-serving institution -- as defined by the Hispanic Association of Colleges and Universities -- said they agreed with the statement. That’s the same percentage of Hispanic students who attended any other kind of institution who reported having a professor who cared.

The percentages related to other categories of well-being were similarly comparable.

Busteed said the researchers can’t say for sure why Hispanic students don’t thrive emotionally at Hispanic-serving institutions in the way black students do at HBCUs, but one “strong hypothesis” lies in the different ways the institutions are categorized. While HBCUs are typically defined by having an institutional mission completely devoted to serving black students, Hispanic-serving institutions are defined as colleges or universities in which Hispanic students make up 25 percent of the total enrollment.


“HBCUs are designated as such because there’s a distinction around their intuitional mission and purpose,” Busteed said. “But with Hispanic-serving institutions, they’re defined by enrollment numbers, not mission.”
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Viewpoint: HBCU vs. PWI debate misses the real point of higher education


By Jaleesa Jones June 1, 2014 9:09 am

When Olivia Sedwick made the financially-conscious choice to attend a historically black college over Baylor, Marquette, Xavier and Purdue, her decision surprised some she knew.


Olivia Sedwick speaks at the Chancellor’s Champagne Brunch at Winston-Salem University.

But when Sedwick crept into her first class at Winston-Salem State University to find a black male professor helicoptering over students and spitting wisdom as fast as rapper DMX, she knew she had made the right decision.

“I fell in love with the school,” she says. “We talked about things that I had never had the chance to before coming from a predominantly white high school.”

For Olivia, attending a historically black college meant that she was finally able to explore her identity as a black woman and the sense of double consciousnessthat comes with it.

The experience has been life-changing.

So, when Black Twitter erupted into a caustic debate about predominantly white institutions (PWI)— schools of higher learning in which whites account for at least 50% enrollment — andhistorically black colleges and universities (HBCU) — post-secondary schools that were established and accredited before 1964 and whose principal mission was and is the education of African-Americans — Sedwick was unnerved.

She says the perceived academic inferiority of HBCUs in comparison to PWIs bothered her most.

Devin Sangster, a senior at Tennessee State University, agrees.

“I feel that my hard work and dedication to my academics is discredited by the assumption that my education is inferior to those that attend a PWI. It bothers me that this debate happens within our own community at all, because we fail to see the bigger picture,” Sangster says.

The bigger picture, he says, is the overall advancement of African-Americans.

I think people only discredit HBCUs because of how people view blackness. So, when you speak of black institutions, people kind of turn their nose up. People automatically elevate PWIs because they’re white colleges and there’s this idea that a majority-white school is quality

While HBCUs constitute just 3% of the nation’s institutions of higher learning, they graduate nearly20% of black students who earn undergraduate degrees. And more than 50% of African American professionals and public school teachers matriculate from HBCUs.

In addition, approximately 20% of black students earn science and engineering bachelor’s degrees at HBCUs according to the National Science Foundation.

The report also highlights HBCUs as “important baccalaureate-origin institutions of future black science and engineering doctorate recipients, especially outside the social sciences.”

Still, the stigma that HBCUs are less rigorous and garner fewer post-graduate job opportunities persists. But why?

Nakia Williams, a senior at Indiana University-Bloomington, says that the recalibration of whiteness as the standard for success plays a profound role.


Nakia Williams, Ebony Holmes, Shayla Hill at Indiana University Bloomington.

“I think people only discredit HBCUs because of how people view blackness. So, when you speak of black institutions, people kind of turn their nose up. People automatically elevate PWIs because they’re white colleges and there’s this idea that a majority-white school is quality,” Williams says.

Williams, however, argues that institutions should be evaluated on a case-by-case basis.

In response to the question of why African-American students decide not to attend a HBCU, some PWI students point to name recognition — as well as the deficit of resources at such schools.

“I feel like you can pretty much go to every HBCU campus and you can say ‘UNC Chapel Hill,’ ‘Duke’ or ‘Yale’ and they’ll know exactly what you’re talking about,” says Joey Blake, a senior at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill.

“However — and I’ve definitely ran across this at UNC — talk to white students about different HBCUs and they won’t have any idea what you’re talking about. I feel like being on a PWI campus, as a black student, you kind of have that mindset ingrained to some degree. I think it does affect your perception of HBCUs from then on,” he says.

“If the endowments of all 105 HBCUs were added up, they’d still amount to less than 10% of Harvard University’s endowment, which at upward of $30 billion is the wealthiest of any college in the world.”

Beyond branding, UNC senior Matthew Taylor thinks additional hardships faced by HBCUs, including institutionalized racism, which manifests in things such as discriminatory public funding and a dearth of white benefactors, come into play.

“These systemic barriers have hindered HBCUs. General wealth is something that they just haven’t had,” Taylor says.

In an unsettling illustration of Taylor’s point, Essence published an article citing the gross imbalance in endowments between HBCUs and PWIs:

“If the endowments of all 105 HBCUs were added up, they’d still amount to less than 10% of Harvard University’s endowment, which at upward of $30 billion is the wealthiest of any college in the world.”

What HBCUs lack in economic resources, however, they often make up for in strong faculty support.


Theophilus Woodley, Dustin Pickett, David Butler at Winston-Salem University graduation.

Dustin Pickett, a Winston-Salem State University alumnus and first-year graduate student at Duke University, said that the administrative culture was definitely more supportive at his HBCU than his PWI.

“At Duke, there’s this presumption that, if you’re there, then you should be able to figure things out on your own. Whereas, at Winston — I mean, most people came from the same high schools as these kids, I myself came from an IB school — but I was still given that care, I was still given that special attention that I needed, there was still that family culture.”

Khyran Shank, a senior who transferred from North Carolina Agricultural & Technical State University to the University of North Carolina at Charlotte, agrees that it’s easier to make connections with professors on HBCU campuses.

“It’s definitely a more loving environment. At an HBCU, you get a great connection with your professors,” Shank says.

Shank and Pickett also agreed that there is a general sense of affinity between black students at HBCUs that is not necessarily as prominent on PWI campuses.

So, what made these men both go on to PWIs?

They say they wanted to be well-rounded.

Both institutions offer something different for students. In the same way that attending a PWI does not negate a students’ blackness, attending an HBCU does not negate his or her future potential.

“Whether you go to an HBCU or whether you go to a PWI, as long as you’re making it, as long as you’re going out and making an impact in your community, I don’t think it really matters,” Pickett says.

“I think we need to get to a point where we can move past the conversation of which is better and know that we’re all just trying to better ourselves.”






there are pros and cons to damm near everything
but shyt is wild how u tap dancing bamas cant wait to shyt on Black orgaizations


might as well make a thread saying you wish you could have been raised by white parents over black parents too:wow:
 

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We're a group of friends that most of us have been gone to both PWI and HBCUs, HBCUs are far behind majority of the time.

That's that insecurity speaking, you feel like criticism of HBCUs is criticism of you or your intelligence. It's okay, just being honest about the quality of these schools.

Was considering Xavier but didn't wanna leave Texas. Xavier is one of the 4-5 that are worth a damn.
This and unfortunately its a valid complaint. Its not some white people's ice cooler shyt the majority of the time esp when its mainly blacks talking to other blacks when this subject is brought up. Its just the truth and personally wish it wasn't so but that doesn't mean I can't be real about it.
 

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Actually no word faux smart guy. How can I quote what you're asking when I asked you a question? Are you stupid?
well u dumb fukk u said that i was trying to state something
so please quote where i was trying to state that u dumb sambo spoof ass fakkit:ehh:
 

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and your question was dumb u corny ass bama:ehh:
now post the quote:ehh:
No it wasn't it was truth. You getting mad at boy for telling the truth makes you look real insecure. I can't post a quote cause I asked a question didn't make a statement. shyt you doing a bad job repping hbcus and Louisiana you fukking clown right now fam.
 

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Maybe them dudes didn't "network" good or just went to school and that was it. Nothing wrong with that either. Its not always some white people trying to hold you down. I find it hard to believe somebody is out there interacting, truly engaging with cats where they actually know/get to know them like that and nobody trying to look out. That's unrealistic regardless if its same race people you dealing with or not. I've rarely saw that at all even at Upenn.


Even if them upenn brothas didn't get that network stimulus they still have the advantage when it comes to getting into law school, med school, or any other type of professional school during the admissions process since admissions committees love ivy league students.

So yeah go ivy league if you can since you won't have to work anywhere near as hard
 
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