It's okay to talk about Black History, as long as we don't say we're the real Jews?

LionofJudah

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I'm not claiming Blacks are the original Jews but this subject has me thinking. If people believe in the Bible then they believe Moses was real. Moses was taken in by an Egyptian princess as an infant & was raised as an Egyptian prince. According to the account Moses had to hide the fact he wasn't Egyptian. Now if the ancient Egyptians were Black which I believe they were, how could Moses be mistaken for an Egyptian if he were white or Arabic? Makes you wonder like me.

Breh, even Paul was mistaken for an Egyptian. What they are banking on is you nikkas NOT reading.

Acts 21:37-38

37 And as Paul was to be led into the castle, he said unto the chief captain, May I speak unto thee? Who said, Canst thou speak Greek?

38 Art not thou that Egyptian, which before these days madest an uproar, and leddest out into the wilderness four thousand men that were murderers?
 

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Let's show these people what Egyptians looked like during the 1st century @LionofJudah


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fayum_mummy_portraits
 

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It couldn't be that they were...mixed during that time, just like the Hebrews lol.

But thank you for proving me right as usual @LionofJudah
 

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I'm not claiming Blacks are the original Jews but this subject has me thinking. If people believe in the Bible then they believe Moses was real. Moses was taken in by an Egyptian princess as an infant & was raised as an Egyptian prince. According to the account Moses had to hide the fact he wasn't Egyptian. Now if the ancient Egyptians were Black which I believe they were, how could Moses be mistaken for an Egyptian if he were white or Arabic? Makes you wonder like me.

All that shyt is bullshyt anyway there is huge contradictions in the moses story, literally flip a page and it's contradicting itself on the other side. Egypt woudl have looked just like it does now, a mix of semetic and nubian people with mostly semetic lightskinned people. DNA and history has basically proven this. The levant has basically always looked the way it is now and the people there were probably even more lightskinned than arabs before invasions from darker gulf arabs. To claim egypt looked like the congo, is a massive crazy leap. And you are also saying that , right at the sinai peninsula, people on one side of it were dark black, and people on the other side were persian like, that's ridiculous. Egypt especially in the north, and the levant has always been a lightskinned arab looking people who have been changed over and over again by invasions from persians, mongols, greeks, turks, arabs etc.

This fantasy that african american's have invented is absolutely disturbing if you take a step back and just take it all in. And the fact that anybody who is remotely "black" or darkskinned is being grouped in as the ancestors of african american's before slavery is ridiculous. There are many dark skinned people who look similar but the majority of them have a completely different trajectory of cultural evolution in different parts of the planet, the exact same as the different types of "white" people.

Read frued's book about moses it explains all the contradictions in that story and why moses was most likely an egyptian who followed a certain pharoah who tried to turn egyptian religion monotheistic, after that pharoah fell he took his followers to different parts of arabia and the middle east and his decendents eventually settled in the sinai and the levant and created the whole israel deal.
 

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Or it couldn't be that, Rome, Greece and Persia had already ran through the land and mixed with the people.

After all... Egypt still had pharaohs during the time of Jesus, right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_governors_of_Roman_Egypt

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It was segregated in those days so mixing would have happened but on a very small scale, mostly with royals. The average egyptian hated the roman or greek and saw them as dirty. An egyptian wouldn't eat meat if it was cut with a roman knife.
 

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The Israelites were a mixed people. Not just in regards to ethnic makeup, but literally a mixed bag of people from all the nations. Shemites (including the Edomites), Egyptians, Cushytes, Persians, Greeks, Romans, etc.

Check out my post above and see for yourself.
I didn't read all your posts but I'd like to know if you mentioned/ or your opinions on the bedoiuns being the descendants of the jewish people as you can still find a lot of similarities in some other clothing and customs today... They bedouins spread out through all of Africa...so wouldn't this now just reinforce your point that no group of black people would've been excluded?
 

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It was segregated in those days so mixing would have happened but on a very small scale, mostly with royals. The average egyptian hated the roman or greek and saw them as dirty. An egyptian wouldn't eat meat if it was cut with a roman knife.

Thing is, the average Egyptian was already mixed at that point.

Especially when you consider that Alexandria was a huge multicultural city that housed the largest group of Jews outside of Judea. The largest group of Romans outside of Rome. The largest group of Syrians outside of Syria, and so forth.
 

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I didn't read all your posts but I'd like to know if you mentioned/ or your opinions on the bedoiuns being the descendants of the jewish people as you can still find a lot of similarities in some other clothing and customs today... They bedouins spread out through all of Africa...so wouldn't this now just reinforce your point that no group of black people would've been excluded?

That's just it. Jews were converting everyone to their faith.

Jews were in Africa, in Spain, in Rome and in Greece before, during and waaaay after the time of Jesus.

But don't take my word for it.


http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel 47:22-23
It shall be that you will divide it by lot as an inheritance for yourselves, and for the strangers who dwell among you and who bear children among you. They shall be to you as native-born among the children of Israel; they shall have an inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel. And it shall be that in whatever tribe the stranger dwells, there you shall give him his inheritance,” says the Lord God.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus 19:34
"But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God."

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Esther 8:15-17
"And Mordecai went out from the presence of the king in royal apparel of blue and white, and with a great crown of gold, and with a garment of fine linen and purple: and the city of Shushan rejoiced and was glad."

The Jews had light, and gladness, and joy, and honour.

And in every province, and in every city, whithersoever the king's commandment and his decree came, the Jews had joy and gladness, a feast and a good day. And many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them.

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/josephus/complete.ii.xiv.ix.html
Hyrcanus took also Dora and Marissa, cities of Idumea, and subdued all the Idumeans; and permitted them to stay in that country; if they would circumcise their genitals, and make use of the laws of the Jews; and they were so desirous of living in the land of their forefathers, that they submitted to the use of circumcision, and of the rest of the Jewish ways of living; at which time this therefore befell them, that they were hereafter no other than Jews.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah 19:20-25
"And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry unto the Lord because of the oppressors, and he shall send them a saviour, and a great one, and he shall deliver them.

And the Lord shall be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians shall know the Lord in that day, and shall do sacrifice and oblation; yea, they shall vow a vow unto the Lord, and perform it. And the Lord shall smite Egypt: he shall smite and heal it: and they shall return even to the Lord, and he shall be intreated of them, and shall heal them. In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians. In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land: Whom the Lord of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance."

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans 3:29-30
"Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith."

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts 16:1-3
Then came he to Derbe and Lystra: and, behold, a certain disciple was there, named Timotheus, the son of a certain woman, which was a Jewess, and believed; but his father was a Greek: which was well reported of by the brethren that were at Lystra and Iconium. Him would Paul have to go forth with him; and took and circumcised him because of the Jews which were in those quarters: for they knew all that his father was a Greek.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus 12:37-38
And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot that were men, beside children. And a mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus 12:41-50
And it came to pass at the end of the four hundred and thirty years, even the selfsame day it came to pass, that all the hosts of the Lord went out from the land of Egypt. 42 It is a night to be much observed unto the Lord for bringing them out from the land of Egypt: this is that night of the Lord to be observed of all the children of Israel in their generations.

And the Lord said unto Moses and Aaron, This is the ordinance of the passover: There shall no stranger eat thereof:but every man’s servant that is bought for money, when thou hast circumcised him, then shall he eat thereof. A foreigner and an hired servant shall not eat thereof. In one house shall it be eaten; thou shalt not carry forth ought of the flesh abroad out of the house; neither shall ye break a bone thereof. 47 All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Thus did all the children of Israel; as the Lord commanded Moses and Aaron, so did they.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Chronicles 2:34-36
Now Sheshan had no sons, but daughters. And Sheshan had a servant, an Egyptian, whose name was Jarha. And Sheshan gave his daughter to Jarha his servant to wife; and she bare him Attai. And Attai begat Nathan, and Nathan begat Zabad

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts 2:5-10
And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilæans?And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judæa, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes

http://biblehub.com/acts/24-24.htm
Several days later Felix (edit: Roman procurator) came with his wife Drusilla*, who was a Jew. He sent for Paul and listened to him as he spoke about faith in Christ Jesus.
*Father was an Edomite

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans 11:25-26
Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, and in this way all Israel will be saved.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts 17:16-17
While Paul was waiting for them in Athens, he was greatly distressed to see that the city was full of idols. So he reasoned in the synagogue with both Jews and God-fearing Greeks, as well as in the marketplace day by day with those who happened to be there.
 

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Put it this way.... there is no such thing as a Hebraic, Jewish or Israelite "race"

Considering there were pure, 100% Hamitic Egyptians that went out with the Israelites during the Exodus who were considered true Israelites.

Along with all the other nations who were grafted into the fold. Ever heard of Ruth the Moabite, or Uriah the Hittite? Even Acts 2:5-11 gives a beautiful description of it.

And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language. Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, “Look, are not all these who speak Galileans? And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born? Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabs—we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.”

It was all about faith and convenant. Keeping the commandments of God. That's what made someone a true Jew or Israelite.
 
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why do nikkas wanna be jews anyway? i don't understand how it's important, besides some murky biblical connotations

praise allah tho yall, it's so righteous :wow:

So people can't belong to a faith?

Especially one that was never exclusive to "color" or "race" in it's origin?

(Rabbinic/Pharisaic/Talmudic Judaism on the other hand is racisim at it's finest)
 
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