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We will definitely kill each other off before any of these issues ever become relevant. We are so fukking stupid.
It's crazy to think that in our galaxy if there are aliens with good enough technology
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Cool thread. Always makes me happy when I see ColiBrehs display their intelligence and knowledge
let this sink in...we were those aliens...they can see earth with dinosaurs.
by the time they see us, we won't even exist anymore. wonder what will replace the animals on earth 1 billion years from now
the writings is on the wall...
Meaningless rambling. He literally akcnowledges that time is necessary in general relativity and it also is used in quantum equations. What does he mean by time isn't special? And it is well defines that's why we have no known way to break casualty.And why would he think we care wether he believes spacetime is discrete or not. He doesn't know just like everyone else. fukking retarded pop science articleThe illusion of time
Andrew Jaffe probes Carlo Rovelli’s study arguing that physics deconstructs our sense of time.
Illustration by Stephan Schmitz
The Order of Time Carlo Rovelli Allen Lane (2018)
According to theoretical physicist Carlo Rovelli, time is an illusion: our naive perception of its flow doesn’t correspond to physical reality. Indeed, as Rovelli argues in The Order of Time, much more is illusory, including Isaac Newton’s picture of a universally ticking clock. Even Albert Einstein’s relativistic space-time — an elastic manifold that contorts so that local times differ depending on one’s relative speed or proximity to a mass — is just an effective simplification.
So what does Rovelli think is really going on? He posits that reality is just a complex network of events onto which we project sequences of past, present and future. The whole Universe obeys the laws of quantum mechanics and thermodynamics, out of which time emerges.
Rovelli is one of the creators and champions of loop quantum gravity theory, one of several ongoing attempts to marry quantum mechanics with general relativity. In contrast to the better-known string theory, loop quantum gravity does not attempt to be a ‘theory of everything’ out of which we can generate all of particle physics and gravitation. Nevertheless, its agenda of joining up these two fundamentally differing laws is incredibly ambitious.
Alongside and inspired by his work in quantum gravity, Rovelli puts forward the idea of ‘physics without time’. This stems from the fact that some equations of quantum gravity (such as the Wheeler–DeWitt equation, which assigns quantum states to the Universe) can be written without any reference to time at all.
As Rovelli explains, the apparent existence of time — in our perceptions and in physical descriptions, written in the mathematical languages of Newton, Einstein and Erwin Schrödinger — comes not from knowledge, but from ignorance. ‘Forward in time’ is the direction in which entropy increases, and in which we gain information.
The book is split into three parts. In the first, “The Crumbling of Time”, Rovelli attempts to show how established physics theories deconstruct our common-sense ideas. Einstein showed us that time is just a fourth dimension and that there is nothing special about ‘now’; even ‘past’ and ‘future’ are not always well defined. The malleability of space and time mean that two events occurring far apart might even happen in one order when viewed by one observer, and in the opposite order when viewed by another.
Rovelli gives good descriptions of the classical physics of Newton and Ludwig Boltzmann, and of modern physics through the lenses of Einstein and quantum mechanics. There are parallels with thermodynamics and Bayesian probability theory, which both rely on the concept of entropy, and might therefore be used to argue that the flow of time is a subjective feature of the Universe, not an objective part of the physical description.
But I quibble with the details of some of Rovelli’s pronouncements. For example, it is far from certain that space-time is quantized, in the sense of space and time being packaged in minimal lengths or periods (the Planck length or time). Rather, our understanding peters out at those very small intervals for which we need both quantum mechanics and relativity to explain things.
In part two, “The World without Time”, Rovelli puts forward the idea that events (just a word for a given time and location at which something might happen), rather than particles or fields, are the basic constituents of the world. The task of physics is to describe the relationships between those events: as Rovelli notes, “A storm is not a thing, it’s a collection of occurrences.” At our level, each of those events looks like the interaction of particles at a particular position and time; but time and space themselves really only manifest out of their interactions and the web of causality between them.
In the final section, “The Sources of Time”, Rovelli reconstructs how our illusions have arisen, from aspects of thermodynamics and quantum mechanics. He argues that our perception of time’s flow depends entirely on our inability to see the world in all its detail. Quantum uncertainty means we cannot know the positions and speeds of all the particles in the Universe. If we could, there would be no entropy, and no unravelling of time. Rovelli originated this ‘thermal time hypothesis’ with French mathematician Alain Connes.
The Order of Time is a compact and elegant book. Each chapter starts with an apt ode from classical Latin poet Horace — I particularly liked “Don’t attempt abstruse calculations”. And the writing, translated from Italian by Erica Segre and Simon Carnell, is more stylish than that in most physics books. Rovelli ably brings in the thoughts of philosophers Martin Heidegger and Edmund Husserl, sociologist Émile Durkheim and psychologist William James, along with physicist-favourite philosophers such as Hilary Putnam and Willard Van Orman Quine. Occasionally, the writing strays into floweriness. For instance, Rovelli describes his final section as “a fiery magma of ideas, sometimes illuminating, sometimes confusing”.
Ultimately, I’m not sure I buy Rovelli’s ideas, about either loop quantum gravity or the thermal time hypothesis. And this book alone would not give a lay reader enough information to render judgement. The Order of Time does, however, raise and explore big issues that are very much alive in modern physics, and are closely related to the way in which we limited beings observe and participate in the world.
Mike Nasty
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That's not really what it means. It means the distance between solar systems and galaxies is too great for us to worry about it.
By the time they see us in earththey can see earth with dinosaurs.
by the time they see us, we won't even exist anymore. wonder what will replace the animals on earth 1 billion years from now
we will be invading them
I doubt it. You got that
Why would a higher intelligence look at us like we are retarded for having a time construct?
The reason we know the duration of the orbit is because of mathematics...
Do you know what the speed of light is?
With the Lord a thousand years are like a day and a day is like a thousand years.
the Bible has a more mature understanding of time than just it being linear
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There is NO evidence they exist, and, the Great Filter = No intelligence in the rest of the Universe.
Once the Universe was just emptiness
There was a first star.
So even if the Universe will one day be teeming with intelligent life, there has to be a first intelligent life form.
I think its clear from how quiet it is out there that were the first ones
Uptown WaYo87
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Every star we see in the sky is a sun with planets around it, and that's just the milky way galaxy as we know it....there's billions of galaxies. Let that sink in.
There HAS to be life out there, the real question is what species has the technology to travel through space seamlessly
Why would a higher intelligence look at us like we are retarded for having a time construct?
The reason we know the duration of the orbit is because of mathematics..
Do you know what the speed of light is?
Silver surfer,... The quote on top of yours basically is the answer to all those questions you're asking
Silver Surfer
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Bruh...you are moving through goal posts and out of your depth
Every star we see in the sky is a sun with planets around it, and that's just the milky way galaxy as we know it....there's billions of galaxies. Let that sink in.
There HAS to be life out there, the real question is what species has the technology to travel through space seamlessly
But there has to be a first intelligent life form, right?
Alien Simp. Pitiful.
