Scientists calculate that the Earth may be the only planet in the entire galaxy capable of supporting advanced life

[Professor Emeritus]

If you’re going to discount credible eyewitness testimony then nothing short of aliens landing on the White House lawn will satisfy you.

First off, Bob Lazar is not credible.

Second of all, you claimed that the evidence for extraterrestrials was stronger than the evidence for God, yet there are literally MILLIONS of people who claim to have experienced God. You said you had something better than that for ET, but then all you came up with were silly, obviously false stories from a proven conman.

Thousands of people in Arizona believe they saw a huge ufo during the phoenix lights

Except among those thousands of people were numerous ones who took pictures and the flares is EXACTLY what the pictures show.

So is your theory that a squadron of A-10 Thunderbolts dropped a group of flares in a routine training exercise, and a bunch of people photographed/videotaped that, but also on the exact same night there was a giant UFO in the exact same direction as the flares at the exact same time, that just happened to look exactly the same as the flares that were also there, only no one managed to get a photo or video of that coincidental UFO?

Or are you trying to talk about the "triangle" that went by earlier in the night? That was reported by far fewer people, and has already been confirmed as another squadron flying in formation, with only their lights visible in the dark. One of those observers had a telescope and confirmed that the lights were actually individual planes, not a single craft, not to mention that the exact flights and flight path have been identified.

Between 8:30 and 8:45 pm, witnesses in Glendale, a suburb northwest of Phoenix, saw the light formation pass overhead at an altitude high enough to become obscured by the thin clouds. Amateur astronomer Mitch Stanley in Scottsdale, Arizona, also observed the high altitude lights "flying in formation" through a telescope. According to Stanley, they were quite clearly individual airplanes.

including the former Arizona governor whom is ex Air Force. He wouldn’t confuse a ufo with flares or a conventional military jet formation.

"That guy was in the military so he is automatically the perfect eyewitness" is a running joke at this point. Anyone can get caught up in hysteria, ex-military people make dumb mistakes all the time.

How do you explain the hundreds of military or ex-military pilots who have confused starlink launches for UFOs in the last couple years alone?



And there have been numerous similar incidents in recent years where flares were mistaken for UFOs:

Valley man admits to "lights in sky" hoax | LOCAL NEWS | Local Breaking News from AZFAMILY.COM & KTVK 3TV - Arizona's Family

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Lights in the Sky Bring Back Memories of Phoenix Lights - KTAR.com

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'UFO' sighting is DEBUNKED as flares over California

A black triangular shaped UFO with five red lights was seen hovering in the night sky at Camp Wilson in California on April 20, 2021.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Phoenix UFO Mystery Solved: What Were Those Lights?

On the night of Oct. 28, four bright lights were seen and videotaped during a high school football game in Scottsdale, Ariz., near Phoenix. UFOs? Read Benjamin Radford's analysis.

abcnews.go.com

Mysterious Phoenix Lights a UFO Hoax

Balloons, flairs and fishing line create a UFO sighting.

www.livescience.com

 

[Uitomy]

I’m at the point now where I believe it. I think that instead of intelligent life being in our reality it’s in another realm, it fits the “as above, so below” overstanding of occultists. I feel like people interact with demons and spirits way more often than extraterrestrials. Consider this, hardly anyone sees a sign of an alien but almost all of us have had an experience, whether conscious or in our dreams, where we’ve felt a demonic or spiritual presence

 

[Outlaw]

First off, Bob Lazar is not credible.

Second of all, you claimed that the evidence for extraterrestrials was stronger than the evidence for God, yet there are literally MILLIONS of people who claim to have experienced God. You said you had something better than that for ET, but then all you came up with were silly, obviously false stories from a proven conman.






Except among those thousands of people were numerous ones who took pictures and the flares is EXACTLY what the pictures show.

So is your theory that a squadron of A-10 Thunderbolts dropped a group of flares in a routine training exercise, and a bunch of people photographed/videotaped that, but also on the exact same night there was a giant UFO in the exact same direction as the flares at the exact same time, that just happened to look exactly the same as the flares that were also there, only no one managed to get a photo or video of that coincidental UFO?

Or are you trying to talk about the "triangle" that went by earlier in the night? That was reported by far fewer people, and has already been confirmed as another squadron flying in formation, with only their lights visible in the dark. One of those observers had a telescope and confirmed that the lights were actually individual planes, not a single craft, not to mention that the exact flights and flight path have been identified.

Between 8:30 and 8:45 pm, witnesses in Glendale, a suburb northwest of Phoenix, saw the light formation pass overhead at an altitude high enough to become obscured by the thin clouds. Amateur astronomer Mitch Stanley in Scottsdale, Arizona, also observed the high altitude lights "flying in formation" through a telescope. According to Stanley, they were quite clearly individual airplanes.








"That guy was in the military so he is automatically the perfect eyewitness" is a running joke at this point. Anyone can get caught up in hysteria, ex-military people make dumb mistakes all the time.

How do you explain the hundreds of military or ex-military pilots who have confused starlink launches for UFOs in the last couple years alone?



And there have been numerous similar incidents in recent years where flares were mistaken for UFOs:

Valley man admits to "lights in sky" hoax | LOCAL NEWS | Local Breaking News from AZFAMILY.COM & KTVK 3TV - Arizona's Family

web.archive.org

Lights in the Sky Bring Back Memories of Phoenix Lights - KTAR.com

web.archive.org

'UFO' sighting is DEBUNKED as flares over California

A black triangular shaped UFO with five red lights was seen hovering in the night sky at Camp Wilson in California on April 20, 2021.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Phoenix UFO Mystery Solved: What Were Those Lights?

On the night of Oct. 28, four bright lights were seen and videotaped during a high school football game in Scottsdale, Ariz., near Phoenix. UFOs? Read Benjamin Radford's analysis.

abcnews.go.com

Mysterious Phoenix Lights a UFO Hoax

Balloons, flairs and fishing line create a UFO sighting.

www.livescience.com

Breh the ex governor who is air force and saw the object with his own two eyes is way more credible than any retroactive debunker that you can conjure up.

Thousands of people saw the aircraft and the the fact there could have also been flares and military jets flying that night isn’t mutually exclusive.

It’s entirely possible that the A-10 formation was called in response to the aircraft flying over Arizona.

 

[Lord Beasley]

The calculations are only based on life as we know it. Doesn't a account for a species that's cellularly different

 

[wire28]

I’m at the point now where I believe it. I think that instead of intelligent life being in our reality it’s in another realm, it fits the “as above, so below” overstanding of occultists. I feel like people interact with demons and spirits way more often than extraterrestrials. Consider this, hardly anyone sees a sign of an alien but almost all of us have had an experience, whether conscious or in our dreams, where we’ve felt a demonic or spiritual presence

True. I think the overall theme is we shouldn’t assume we know everything, because we don’t. :

 

[Professor Emeritus]

The calculations are only based on life as we know it. Doesn't a account for a species that's cellularly different

Breh, astrobiologists spend huge portions of their education and career brainstorming, hypothesizing, discussing every possible way that life can be different. A lot of the principles the calculations are based on don't have anything to do with life as we know it, they have to do with basic physics principles like the law of entropy (static or homogenous systems are never going to develop complexity) or basic principles of chemistry (complex molecular formulations can only develop under certain conditions.

 

[Lord Beasley]

Breh, astrobiologists spend huge portions of their education and career brainstorming, hypothesizing, discussing every possible way that life can be different. A lot of the principles the calculations are based on don't have anything to do with life as we know it, they have to do with basic physics principles like the law of entropy (static or homogenous systems are never going to develop complexity) or basic principles of chemistry (complex molecular formulations can only develop under certain conditions.

Still doesn't account for extraterrestrials breathing a gas that would be toxic to life on earth. And do you think we've discovered every element in the universe?

 

[mag357]

Breh, astrobiologists spend huge portions of their education and career brainstorming, hypothesizing, discussing every possible way that life can be different. A lot of the principles the calculations are based on don't have anything to do with life as we know it, they have to do with basic physics principles like the law of entropy (static or homogenous systems are never going to develop complexity) or basic principles of chemistry (complex molecular formulations can only develop under certain conditions.

You're saying these calculations don't have anything to do with life as we know....
Ok cool.

Then you say it has to do with basic principles showing that molecular formulations can only develop under certain conditions.

You need to add "as we know it".

But scientists even know that life develops in places and ways that we don't understand.
We they put out these articles, they're just messing with u 4real 4real lol

 

[Professor Emeritus]

You're saying these calculations don't have anything to do with life as we know....
Ok cool.

Then you say it has to do with basic principles showing that molecular formulations can only develop under certain conditions.

You need to add "as we know it".

If you think that chemistry and physics follow completely different laws on other planets, then yes, "anything goes". And at that point it's useless to even study science, because if you just throw out the basic laws of science then there's nothing left to work from anymore.

Still doesn't account for extraterrestrials breathing a gas that would be toxic to life on earth. And do you think we've discovered every element in the universe?

Why would they need to "account" for that? Problems like toxic gases don't even enter into the equations. Before you worry about breathing toxic gases, first you have to satisfy basic principles like having a medium within which chemical reactions can even occur, advanced molecules can develop, and enough environmental heterogeneity exists for any degree of complex organization to form.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Breh the ex governor who is air force and saw the object with his own two eyes is way more credible than any retroactive debunker that you can conjure up.

This is a hilariously bad argument. Eyewitnesses make mistakes ALL THE TIME, and having been in the military isn't some magical stamp of infallibility. If you actually knew people in the military, you'd know that plenty of them are dumbasses who make all sorts of mistakes. Pilots get confused every day.

Airline Pilots Couldn’t Stop Seeing UFOs. Turns Out They Were Just Starlink Satellites.

Confusion reigned in the clouds—until scientists pinned the source as man-made marvels.

www.popularmechanics.com

One of the funniest parts of your argument is that Governer Symington, who you keep relying on as the BEST evidence ever that UFOs exist, is a convicted fraudster.

In June 1996, Symington was indicted on 21 federal counts of extortion, making false financial statements, and bank fraud. He was convicted for seven counts of bank fraud on September 4, 1997. He was charged with defrauding his lenders as a commercial real estate developer, extorting a pension fund and perjuring himself in a bankruptcy hearing. As Arizona, like most states, does not allow convicted felons to hold office, Symington resigned from office the next day.

Thousands of people saw the aircraft and the the fact there could have also been flares and military jets flying that night isn’t mutually exclusive.

Occom's Razor, breh. There were planes flying in formation over Phoenix at the exact same time that the UFO was reported, in the exact same direction, that looked exactly like what was described.....but you want to believe that there was also a UFO that looked just like that going by at the exact same time? Even though you don't have a single piece of evidence that points to UFOs instead of just regular planes?

And then the flares were dropped, which look completely DIFFERENT from the formation, but I guess that same night there was another set of different UFOs that happen to look exactly like flares?

It’s entirely possible that the A-10 formation was called in response to the aircraft flying over Arizona.

Those are ground-attack aircraft breh, that's why they drop flares. You wouldn't send a squadron of A-10s to "respond" to anything in the air.

And it's been confirmed that it was a set of pre-planned regular practice exercises - these were pilots from out-of-state who were there for training exercises, they weren't on-duty to respond to local phenomena.

If thousands of people saw it, then can you point to even ONE picture or video of the even that isn't obviously flares being dropped or planes in formation?

 

[mag357]

If you think that chemistry and physics follow completely different laws on other planets, then yes, "anything goes". And at that point it's useless to even study science, because if you just throw out the basic laws of science then there's nothing left to work from anymore.

No... We don't throw out what we've built in learning the basic laws of science.
We continue to grow with what we already have.

But individuals I'm the scientific community need to understand, that they actually "know" nothing. They are trying to figure things out that has already been.
Understanding that you truly know nothing, keeps your mind open to all possibilities.
Even A possibility that there are possibilities beyond your understanding.
The scientific community and those who believe in them like religious figures cant seem to grasp that concept.
Even though they can't accurately tell you how all these came to be.

And to the regular people... We have to know that these scientists are not really working for us. These people work for the government and they may actually know things but tell us something totally different.
Or keep things from us for whatever reasons.

Also Anyone working in any field of science privately can not have a break through without everyone else in the community in agreement.

 

[Outlaw]

This is a hilariously bad argument. Eyewitnesses make mistakes ALL THE TIME, and having been in the military isn't some magical stamp of infallibility. If you actually knew people in the military, you'd know that plenty of them are dumbasses who make all sorts of mistakes. Pilots get confused every day.

Airline Pilots Couldn’t Stop Seeing UFOs. Turns Out They Were Just Starlink Satellites.

Confusion reigned in the clouds—until scientists pinned the source as man-made marvels.

www.popularmechanics.com

One of the funniest parts of your argument is that Governer Symington, who you keep relying on as the BEST evidence ever that UFOs exist, is a convicted fraudster.

In June 1996, Symington was indicted on 21 federal counts of extortion, making false financial statements, and bank fraud. He was convicted for seven counts of bank fraud on September 4, 1997. He was charged with defrauding his lenders as a commercial real estate developer, extorting a pension fund and perjuring himself in a bankruptcy hearing. As Arizona, like most states, does not allow convicted felons to hold office, Symington resigned from office the next day.









Occom's Razor, breh. There were planes flying in formation over Phoenix at the exact same time that the UFO was reported, in the exact same direction, that looked exactly like what was described.....but you want to believe that there was also a UFO that looked just like that going by at the exact same time? Even though you don't have a single piece of evidence that points to UFOs instead of just regular planes?

And then the flares were dropped, which look completely DIFFERENT from the formation, but I guess that same night there was another set of different UFOs that happen to look exactly like flares?








Those are ground-attack aircraft breh, that's why they drop flares. You wouldn't send a squadron of A-10s to "respond" to anything in the air.

And it's been confirmed that it was a set of pre-planned regular practice exercises - these were pilots from out-of-state who were there for training exercises, they weren't on-duty to respond to local phenomena.

If thousands of people saw it, then can you point to even ONE picture or video of the even that isn't obviously flares being dropped or planes in formation?

I think your misapplying Occam’s razor. In order for your explanation to be the most simple, thousands of eye witnesses would need to be wrong.

Many of the witnesses claim to have seen the physical craft and not just lights, also the craft was silent. A-10s are loud are they not?

The pics or it didn’t happen argument is lazy, this is before smart phones and the burden of proof also applies to you using the same logic. Show me pics of the A-10s dropping flares in formation that night in Arizona.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I think your misapplying Occam’s razor. In order for your explanation to be the most simple, thousands of eye witnesses would need to be wrong.

But they weren't wrong. Thousands of eyewitnesses really did see lights. We have PICTURES and VIDEO of the lights they saw.

Those lights just happen to be flares. That's obvious from the pictures/video, the location, and documented fact of flares being dropped exactly there at exactly that time.

Many of the witnesses claim to have seen the physical craft and not just lights,

The one eyewitness with a telescope could clearly see the individual planes, but for the most part it's hard as hell to see anything other than lights at high altitude at night. Someone without a telescope looking at night isn't going to see jack shyt except maybe the parts of the plane most immediately next to the lights. But if they think they're seeing a triangle of lights moving together, and sort of see the physical object in the place closest to the lights, they imagine that it's a single craft.

You tell me - how the hell is some random person on the ground, with no telescope, going to see the non-illuminated portions of a craft at night?

also the craft was silent. A-10s are loud are they not?

If you had actually read, you would have seen that they were flying at high altitude. Also, most observers (of the "triangle", not the flares) were inside their cars.

The pics or it didn’t happen argument is lazy, this is before smart phones and the burden of proof also applies to you using the same logic. Show me pics of the A-10s dropping flares in formation that night in Arizona.

All of the pictures were taken after they dropped the flares. That's why every picture of the event shows the flares in the same location. Not a single video of them moving to the right, or moving to the left, or moving up. No pictures of the "UFOs" flying in, or flying away, or being ANY other place other than out past the mountains exactly where the military drops fares. They're all just slowly dropping from the same spot.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

And to the regular people... We have to know that these scientists are not really working for us. These people work for the government and they may actually know things but tell us something totally different.
Or keep things from us for whatever reasons.

One of the astronomers involved works for the University of Texas and the other works for a university in Switzerland. They are not taking any orders from "the government".

Also Anyone working in any field of science privately can not have a break through without everyone else in the community in agreement.

Can you break down what you mean by that?

 

[Secure Da Bag]

It might be like winning the Mega Billions twice in a row. But it still seems "impossible" that we are the only life in this galaxy.

What galaxies are they finding all these super-Earths in?