"It's a fine superhero movie... but it's not a great movie." - Ethan Hawke

[MartyMcFly]

Who's doing that?
That's like trying to devalue the worth of comedy movies because Pineapple Express isn't seeing Schindler's List. Who are these hypothetical people making such comparisons in the first place?
Just because I can call two wildly different movies great doesn't mean I hold those two great movies in equal standing. The Godfather is also the best movie of all time to me. I consider it a classic. I also consider The Goonies a classic. I don't think I have to explain to the average rational person that I'm not equating those two movies to each other merely because I used the same adjective to describe how I feel about them.

I’m sure you can find plenty of people online (and possibly this board) who’d make those comparisons homie. Let’s not forget IMDb said dark knight was the greatest film ever for quite some time. Ever. In history. Period.

 

[mastermind]

I agree with his point, but I do think Logan was a great movie.

But stuff like Black Panther, Infinity Wars, Spiderman 2, etc. They are great superhero movies.

 

[nieman]

Like others have said, he's not wrong, and overall, it's opinion anyway. I actually think he's directing his comments more at the studios riding the wave, and the narrative they're painting...especially with the Academy blantantly d!ckeatin (pardon my Philly slang) with that "A movie people have seen"..

While most comic book movies aren't up there with the masterpiece, there have been some that transcends the genre. Logan was the "aged vigilante's finale ride." It may not be Unforgiven, Shane or Once Upon a Time in the West, but it was a step in that direction. It took itself very serious.

The genre shouldn't hinder how it's viewed. On the reciprocal, just because a movie is weird and/or incoherent, doesn't mean that it's deep and deserves all of the accolades.

 

[boskey]

He's really not an elitist, he's just not impressed with comic book movies it seems. From the same interview:

When you make The Purge or the Spierig brothers films, like Predestination, what’s the particular challenge in doing those?

Well, my first teacher was Joe Dante. And so by the time I was 20 years old I’d had these two great mentors. Peter Weir, who is a total art film connoisseur. I mean Peter Weir is like, “Have you seen Bresson? Come on get with it! You don’t even know who Fassbinder is? Wake up!” And Joe Dante is showing me The Howling and he was talking about how drive-in movies, if done with art and love, are actually like the Trojan horse. You go see a werewolf movie and secretly it’s a PTSD movie about the Vietnam War.

Get Out is a great example. Jason Blumhouse did both those movies, The Purge and Get Out, and I think Get Out is the completion of something Jason has been working towards for a long time, these Trojan horse movies. If I told you I was making an important film about race relations in America you definitely don’t want to come, you definitely feel like you’re being preached to and you start yawning immediately. The Purge is the same way. In the future, when rich people don’t care about poor people, they’re on their treadmills just watching people get burned alive on their TV, they flip the channel to find something more entertaining. “In the future…”

I guess the question is how do the themes and the ideas in comic book movies relate to the world as a whole. If the answer is "it's just entertainment", then there really isn't much to argue with him about...

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

It's all playing dress up, Jackman dresses up as a mutant and Brando as a mob boss and Hawke as a cop.

It's all part of the same game. A good script/crew/etc will have us believe these theatre trained actors are really a crime mob or a police squad or superheroes. Same shyt

That's the problem. It's the difference in the script. Most comic book movie scripts are barely average, some are horribly written. Casino has a brilliant script. That's why I watch these comic book movies in theaters but there's only a handful that I go back and watch at home. Most have no replay value.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

The only acting performance from a comic book film that I could put up against Denzel in Training Day is maybe Heath Ledger. And both won the Oscar. So a cbm will be rewarded in that same way if it puts in the work to be rewarded in that way. If it wants to settle for billions at the box office like Transformers it can do that too.. end of the day money is going to matter more than accolades.

 

[Sonny Bonds]

Road to Perdition is based on a comic book too.

 

[Ghost Utmost]

@Ribbs

Name the movie you like better than Logan that came out the same year

And

Name any Ethan Hawke movie EVER that's better than Logan

 

[Ghost Utmost]

I think a lot of money would gladly put money on the line saying that Ethan has played in better PURE MOVIES than most Superhero movies.

This has a lot to do with that a lot of movies are original scripts and material and all these Superhero movies are basically movie spinoffs from comics.

Name the movie

Just name the movie that Ethan fukcing Hawke was in that was better than Logan

 

[ECA]

@Ribbs

Name the movie you like better than Logan that came out the same year

And

Name any Ethan Hawke movie EVER that's better than Logan

Before the Devil Knows You're Dead is better than fukking Logan

 

[Ribbs]

@Ribbs

Name the movie you like better than Logan that came out the same year

And

Name any Ethan Hawke movie EVER that's better than Logan

I liked Logan btw but I'd say Baby Driver is better than it. Logan Lucky was better too.

Training Day and Devil Knows You're Dead.

 

[OmegaK2099]

Wasn't he up for dr.strange at one point?

 

[FlyRy]

"Training Day" is an obvious one....but he was in "Predestination", he can say what he wants.

Fred.

You mean GATTACA.

Coming soon in a film room goat thread :smugnolan:

 

[Ghost Utmost]

I liked Logan btw but I'd say Baby Driver is better than it. Logan Lucky was better too.

Training Day and Devil Knows You're Dead.

Maybe training day but that don't have a got damn thing to do with that faqqot Ethan

You niqqas just don't like CBMs

Which is fine

Baby Driver? I wouldn't watch that before I would watch Logan again

 

[LordDeathwatch]

He's entitled to his opinion but his qualifier is retarded.

I hate elitist shyt when it comes to rating movies. It's wack as fukk

Unfortunately elitists infest every medium in the guise of self-appointed "quality control" from literature to the spoken word. In the end it all washes out because it's a subjective medium and the best they can do is accumulate enough individuals that share their viewpoint. Basically, you end up spinning your wheels because you can't prove anything one way or another. In something objective like mathematics, you have things that are unequivocally true regardless of how you view it, there's nothing like that in entertainment.

The most you can hope for is a respectful exchange of thoughts.