It didn't take streaming long to come full circle

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streaming is only expensive if you feel you need to have access to everything all at once. there's like 1-2, maybe 3 services most people should have at all times, mine are HBO, Hulu and Netflix (subject to potential cancellation), and then just wait until shows stack up and do a one month sub to others (Apple+ let the morning show and ted lasso stack so i can binge them together, paramount+ the game and mayor of kingstown). you still come out better than paying for cable...even adding some shyt like sling or YouTube TV for sports is still cheaper than cable

as for bundles, i'm cool with the idea of a few bundled streamers where it makes sense, but things like wanting HBOMax subscribers to pay more because you bundled in some Discovery Plus bullshyt, no :camby:
The point is at the current prices they aren't profitable. The prices need to go up by a lot to make the profitable. When the dust settles people will be paying $60-$70 for about 3 services instead of paying that for the cable section of a bundle package.

I think Warner Discovery gets bought out by Comcast or merges into Paramount. Netflix will remain and I don't think Disney is going anywhere either. Amazon will likely round out the big competitors.

Sony was smart about it. They sold their streaming service Crackle then acquired Crunchyroll and Funimation effectively saying we'll be a monopoly in anime streaming rather than maintain a conventional service. The traditional streaming market is just too crowded and everyone is in the way of everyone else's profitability chances.
 

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The point is at the current prices they aren't profitable. The prices need to go up by a lot to make the profitable. When the dust settles people will be paying $60-$70 for about 3 services instead of paying that for the cable section of a bundle package.

I think Warner Discovery gets bought out by Comcast or merges into Paramount. Netflix will remain and I don't think Disney is going anywhere either. Amazon will likely round out the big competitors.

Sony was smart about it. They sold their streaming service Crackle then acquired Crunchyroll and Funimation effectively saying we'll be a monopoly in anime streaming rather than maintain a conventional service. The traditional streaming market is just too crowded and everyone is in the way of everyone else's profitability chances.
the streaming market is crowded, sure. and consolidation is coming, but the more prices increase, the fewer subs people will have or you'll see a lot of rotating subscriptions. you seem to underestimate how much people adapt. and gen z, and now gen alpha, have mainly lived under decentralized content - they are the next generations these companies need to capture, they will not be paying for a shyt ton of services.

every form of media has sold less/declined as this century has gone on – first music sales got hit, then books & print journalism/magazines, then movies (the reason only big budget franchises do numbers), streaming will be the same - people don't value it enough to pay a lot for it and there are ways to get it for free.
 

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the streaming market is crowded, sure. and consolidation is coming, but the more prices increase, the fewer subs people will have or you'll see a lot of rotating subscriptions. you seem to underestimate how much people adapt. and gen z, and now gen alpha, have mainly lived under decentralized content - they are the next generations these companies need to capture, they will not be paying for a shyt ton of services.

every form of media has sold less/declined as this century has gone on – first music sales got hit, then books & print journalism/magazines, then movies (the reason only big budget franchises do numbers), streaming will be the same - people don't value it enough to pay a lot for it and there are ways to get it for free.
They'll create lock in prices that make hopping in and out of them impractical. Like apartment rent you can sign up for a 12 month lease and get 40% off or pay month to month at a huge inflated figure.

These things being under $20 a month for all this content aren't gonna last. Cable got people hundreds of channels for $60-$70 a month. In the not too distant future that's gonna get you 3 streaming services with less content. People wanted À la carte and they got it.
 

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They'll create lock in prices that make hopping in and out of them impractical. Like apartment rent you can sign up for a 12 month lease and get 40% off or pay month to month at a huge inflated figure.

These things being under $20 a month for all this content aren't gonna last. Cable got people hundreds of channels for $60-$70 a month. In the not too distant future that's gonna get you 3 streaming services with less content. People wanted À la carte and they got it.
bro, consumers aren't that desperate or stupid anymore nor is there content loyalty. if a company wants to give you 12 months for $99, some people might take that, and when it's over, that service is getting canceled or rotated. but we live in a world where you can literally google anything you want to watch and find a link to it, someone sent me the link to the new house party and i mirrored it to my TV, 4k resolution, seamless playback...prices will rise to about $25, that's sort of a mental cap for people for a one off service in a world where we subscribe to multiple things.


and cable is not 60-70, most cable plans start around $100, that's with a contract and for only one box - they add more fees for more boxes, HD and DVR and have a ton of FTC/municipality fees and taxes. sure, your cable package may have a price tag of $80-90, but your bill is gonna hit for $110-130 by the time all the taxes, fees and add ons are accounted for
 

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YouTubeTV and that's it for me. Everybody else can fukk off. Get live TV plus can rent newer movies just like on YouTube. Can Cancel or Pause when shyt get tough then resume whenever (unlike Cable). Can do add-ons like RedZone, HBOMax or Starz when NFL is in season, there's a show I wanna watch then yank that shyt once I'm done.
 

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bro, consumers aren't that desperate or stupid anymore nor is there content loyalty. if a company wants to give you 12 months for $99, some people might take that, and when it's over, that service is getting canceled or rotated. but we live in a world where you can literally google anything you want to watch and find a link to it, someone sent me the link to the new house party and i mirrored it to my TV, 4k resolution, seamless playback...prices will rise to about $25, that's sort of a mental cap for people for a one off service in a world where we subscribe to multiple things.


and cable is not 60-70, most cable plans start around $100, that's with a contract and for only one box - they add more fees for more boxes, HD and DVR and have a ton of FTC/municipality fees and taxes. sure, your cable package may have a price tag of $80-90, but your bill is gonna hit for $110-130 by the time all the taxes, fees and add ons are accounted for
If everyone starts pirating then the industry collapses because nobody supports it. People will pay annually for these services and renew annually as content they want will continue to get made.

Cable on a new sub promotion is about $60-$70 in a bundle with phone and internet. The price of the total bundle will be like $150 or so but the cable part cost that.

The same problems that happened to cable will eventually hit streaming. People gonna pay their $150-$200 a month for TV and internet like it or not. Instead of paying one company they will pay several.
 

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If everyone starts pirating then the industry collapses because nobody supports it. People will pay annually for these services and renew annually as content they want will continue to get made.

Cable on a new sub promotion is about $60-$70 in a bundle with phone and internet. The price of the total bundle will be like $150 or so but the cable part cost that.

The same problems that happened to cable will eventually hit streaming. People gonna pay their $150-$200 a month for TV and internet like it or not. Instead of paying one company they will pay several.
you're wrong...and a prime example is music - it didn't collapse, it adapted, streaming is putting money back into record labels' pockets.

TV and content wont collapse, people will do a variety of what we do now juggle subscriptions, password share, pirate, etc. people will not pay cable prices again, there's like maybe 5-8 shows that command (near) real time viewing (stranger things, house of the dragon, rings of power, etc), thus there is no urgency to need to spend $100 for multiple subscriptions at once nor buy annual plans. most shows people are happy to watch on their own time, therefore there is no need to keep hella subs

your premises are stuck on completely outdated ideas of content consumption, the only thing you're predicting correctly that multiple people have is consolidation and price increases. the low subscribership all these platforms have shows people have no plans to spend a ton on content all at once
 
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