It didn't take streaming long to come full circle

[winb83]

musicians need to take it up with labels, they negotiated the payouts with the streamers...and musicians may be worse off than when album sales were a thing but better off than they'd be if streaming didn't come along to at least recapture some of the lost revenue that would've been gone forever had pirating kept at the pace it was going from 2000-2010.

and you can't force profitability where people don't see value. sure the business objective is to turn a profit, but if consumers don't care about your product like that, you won't. raising prices yet having a smaller subscriber base isn't going to make you any more profitable than lower prices with more subscribers.

and a cell phone is a necessity, so is internet...they are utilities at this point, those aren't comparable comparisons. streaming is not a necessity, at best you pay for a month, cancel and get something new, at worst, you get it for free. absolutely nothing will stop content from getting to the internet.

like i said, you keep looking at this from a business perspective, we all know what the studios want, but you seem to not understand where consumers are. we're not moving backward and getting new consumers into their ecosystem will become even harder with younger generations who prefer to watch random shyt on youtube and clips on social media and don't have the same affinity for a ton of scripted content - they will not be bullied into multiple subscriptions.

what content do you think people are so captive to that they need to have $60-80 worth of subscriptions? comfort viewing is a thing because people log into these apps and cant find shyt to watch, outside of each platform's flagship shows, these platforms are not sticky enough to subscribe to year round

You saying a cell phone is a necessity? Right now for my cell service I pay $30 a month for unlimited everything. I am not in a contract and I own my iPhone 14 Pro outright. I literally just pay $30 and that's it. It ain't hard to do what I did yet there are hundreds of millions of people that just sign up for a rack rate plan with Verizon, T-Mobile, or AT&T and just make bill payments in the $100+ range. That's just people being lazy.

I think you think people are more frugal than they actually are. You think the average person that can't even sit down and write a budget will map out what services they sub to and cancel which month? People are a lot lazier than that. They'll just sub and keep it moving.

These companies will evolve and get that money from customers. They always do. They'll adjust their business and pricing models until they get what they want.

 

[winb83]

But gamepass will save gaming

@Rekkapryde @Khalil's_Black_Excellence @Fatboi1

I'm trying to imagine the video game subscription service with so many players in it all trying to eat each other's marketshare and pricing each other into huge losses. You really think it's that easy to launch a gaming subscription service as it is for a studio that's already making TV and film content to launch a streaming service?

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

I'm trying to imagine the video game subscription service with so many players in it all trying to eat each other's marketshare and pricing each other into huge losses. You really think it's that easy to launch a gaming subscription service as it is for a studio that's already making TV and film content to launch a streaming service?

If it became the dominant model thats exactly what would happen.

Video games aren’t immune to what the video and music streaming industry are going through

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

RECORD COMPANIES WERENT TAKING LS PERIOD.

"Record companies have a 5% success rate. That means that 5% of all records released by major labels go gold or platinum. How do record companies get away with a 95% failure rate that would be totally unacceptable in any other business? Record companies keep almost all the profits. Recording artists get paid a tiny fraction of the money earned by their music. That allows record executives to be incredibly sloppy in running their companies and still create enormous amounts of cash for the corporations that own them.


The royalty rates granted in every recording contract are very low to start with and then companies charge back every conceivable cost to an artist's royalty account. Artists pay for recording costs, video production costs, tour support, radio promotion, sales and marketing costs, packaging costs and any other cost the record company can subtract from their royalties. Record companies also reduce royalties by "forgetting" to report sales figure, miscalculating royalties and by preventing artists from auditing record company books"

YOU CANT COMPARE THE
CROOKED MUSIC INDUSTRY
TO THE FILM INDUSTRY.


​

that long ass block does nothing to refute the fact that you need enough revenue to cover the costs in either case...this isn't a conversation about what the artist and actor take home, it's about revenue in the door to the record company or label. they both take an L if the R >= C,

 

[winb83]

If it became the dominant model thats exactly what would happen.

Video games aren’t immune to what the video and music streaming industry are going through

Consoles are the dominate model now. How many console makers do we have. How many TV streaming services do we have?

 

[CHICAGO]

that long ass block does nothing to refute the fact that you need enough revenue to cover the costs in either case...this isn't a conversation about what the artist and actor take home, it's about revenue in the door to the record company or label. they both take an L if the R >= C,

ONCE AGAIN
THE ARTIST IS COVERING
THE COST AT THE END OF THE DAY
SO THERES NO L TO BE TAKEN.

THE LABEL IS JUST
A BANK GIVING A LOAN
WITH AN EXTREMELY HIGH INTEREST RATE.

DONT RECOUP AND USE
THE ARTIST AS A TAX WRITE OFF.


​

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

Consoles are the dominate model now. How many console makers do we have. How many TV streaming services do we have?

If subscription gaming takes over that could change very fast, although i don’t believe that will be the case. Unlike video and music, gaming requires too much of a commitment and specific skill set to grow in the same way

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

You saying a cell phone is a necessity? Right now for my cell service I pay $30 a month for unlimited everything. I am not in a contract and I own my iPhone 14 Pro outright. I literally just pay $30 and that's it. It ain't hard to do what I did yet there are hundreds of millions of people that just sign up for a rack rate plan with Verizon, T-Mobile, or AT&T and just make bill payments in the $100+ range. That's just people being lazy.

I think you think people are more frugal than they actually are. You think the average person that can't even sit down and write a budget will map out what services they sub to and cancel which month? People are a lot lazier than that. They'll just sub and keep it moving.

These companies will evolve and get that money from customers. They always do. They'll adjust their business and pricing models until they get what they want.

yes a cell is a necessity unless you're happy with a landline and given that landlines are gonna pretty much be extinct outside of rural areas when boomers die, having a cell phone is the new default. i pay for my phone in full whenever i buy one and my monthly bill is still $80 because that's the plan i have, there multiple reasons someone would have a higher cell phone bill than $30, especially if they're on a plan that allows them to trade up every other year, some people love having a new phone

the people who sub and forget clearly don't care about the cost, why should i account for them? if that were the majority you wouldn't see article after article talking about subscription fatigue and streamers not hitting their desired subscription numbers. most of us who cut cable did it to save money and absolutely look at what we're paying for subs in relation to that. gen z who is native to a world of subscriptions, they will pay attention because it can easily spiral out of control for them

and you can keep believing in companies, multiple categories within the media and entertainment world their revenues are down compared to their heyday, everything doesn't keep going up if people see it as disposable or a commodity.

anyway, i've wasted enough time on this...there is nothing on these platforms that will entice the majority of people to subscribe to all of them at once on an ongoing basis

 

[winb83]

If subscription gaming takes over that could change very fast

I think that the same way many large companies look at consoles and decide it's not worth the investment they'll look at gaming streaming services the same way. Outside of the huge tech giants it's better for smaller and mid sized companies to get on Google Play and Apple's App store with a free to play mobile game and get in app purchases. Amazon and Google have gone back and forth flirting with going deeper into large budget game making but they don't really want that smoke.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

ONCE AGAIN
THE ARTIST IS COVERING
THE COST AT THE END OF THE DAY
SO THERES NO L TO BE TAKEN.

THE LABEL IS JUST
A BANK GIVING A LOAN
WITH AN EXTREMELY HIGH INTEREST RATE.


​

there is an L....you're clearly denying math at this point

if Sony spends $5m on Beyonce and she only earns them $4M, they lost $1m...she gets nothing...that is an L
if the album makes $5m, they break even, they neither profit or lose...that's a neutral outcome for them and still and L for her
if it makes $6M, they finally see a profit....it's math

 

[CHICAGO]

there is an L....you're clearly denying math at this point

if Sony spends $5m on Beyonce and she only earns them $4M, they lost $1m...she gets nothing...that is an L
if the album makes $5m, they break even, they neither profit or lose...that's a neutral outcome for them and still and L for her
if it makes $6M, they finally see a profit....it's math

THEY WILL SIMPILY PULL THAT MONEY
FROM HER NEXT ALBUM...

THESE ARTIST ARE LOCKED
INTO MULTI ALBUM DEALS SO
THE LABEL WILL ALWAYS GET THERES
AT THE END OF THE DAY.

AND IF THE ARTIST HAS A 360 DEAL
THEY WILL GET THE MONEY
FROM TOURS, MERCH ETC.



​

 

[winb83]

yes a cell is a necessity unless you're happy with a landline and given that landlines are gonna pretty much be extinct outside of rural areas when boomers die, having a cell phone is the new default. i pay for my phone in full whenever i buy one and my monthly bill is still $80 because that's the plan i have, there multiple reasons someone would have a higher cell phone bill than $30, especially if they're on a plan that allows them to trade up every other year, some people love having a new phone

the people who sub and forget clearly don't care about the cost, why should i account for them? if that were the majority you wouldn't see article after article talking about subscription fatigue and streamers not hitting their desired subscription numbers. most of us who cut cable did it to save money and absolutely look at what we're paying for subs in relation to that. gen z who is native to a world of subscriptions, they will pay attention because it can easily spiral out of control for them

and you can keep believing in companies, multiple categories within the media and entertainment world their revenues are down compared to their heyday, everything doesn't keep going up if people see it as disposable or a commodity.

anyway, i've wasted enough time on this...there is nothing on these platforms that will entice the majority of people to subscribe to all of them at once on an ongoing basis

They already are subscribing to 3-4 of them at once.

Despite Return to Normal, People Spending More Time and Money on Streaming Services Now than During Height of Pandemic

The world may be coming out of its pandemic-induced haze, but customer desire to be snuggled up under a blanket in front of their favorite on-demand content has never been greater.

www.jdpower.com

The average household is paying $55 for streaming services a month right now and that's in a password sharing friendly environment.

 

[dfresh]

Not surprised tbh. I knew things where bad when I saw lovecraft on tubi.


Speaking of tubi i wonder how all theses free streaming services with ads(tubi, Pluto tv, crackle ect)are doing in this current climate.

 

[daemonova]

LOSING 50-100K (RARE)
ON AN ALBUM
THAT DIDNT RECOUP IS NOT THE
SAME AS LOSING 100 MILLION
ON A FILM PROJECT.



​

I don't think Mandalorian made money yet. This season looks to be more than 200 million, should they cancel the show?

 

[daemonova]