Issa Rae's new show is black male bashing propaganda

[Ziggiy]

So the Black woman experience is...a bunch of lazy nikkas...a bunch of horny nikkas...a bunch of nikkas with good credentials that don't wanna settle down...and then the magical White man waiting on the other side that will love you as you are?

Atlanta is a very male centric show. But Earn's Baby momma isn't an Angry Baby Momma stereotype.

She isn't no finger in your face, talking all ghetto, hand clapping - baby momma. She's frustrated, strapped, but is supportive.

Atlanta's portrayal of Black men isn't negative...but very much grounded in realism. Any brother can relate to the uncertainty of being in your early to mid 20s, trying to make it in life, doing what you wanna do before you get too old and you have to do with you have to do.

I would much rather have a Black female dominated show...that didn't focus on Black men and dating so fukking much and be something different.

Instead of the typical, "I can't find a man" problem being central to the show.

There's way more to life than finding a damn mate.

shyt I used to watched Girlfriends all the time and there weren't no negative stereotypes of anybody in that show.

This man gets it

 

[PartyHeart]

Uh...I made it pretty clear that the lead Black woman on Black woman created shows has humanity...it's just everyone else does not and they are cardboard cutout stereotypes. Being Mary Jane had a straight up tragic mulatto character that was crazy as fukk, attempting suicide, got molested as a child, was jealous of Mary Jane and off'ed herself while Mary Jane is a Sapphire/Jezebel character...but fleshed out.

And I made it clear....every media creation is a stereotype...is a trope. You not gonna escape it. Everything has been commodified and done before. But you can add humanity to it. You can give a character motivations, a philosophy...a life.

Issa Rae and other Black female creators do not do that for anybody but the lead character. Their portrayal of Black women is already problematic because they are downright dysfunctional as human beings first of all...especially Mary Jane....but then all the men are stereotypical cardboard characters.

I rather Black men not be in the shows if every Black dude is gonna be cardboard stereotype.

I am not into representation politics, I rather the show be done right and be a good show instead of having cardboard characters for the lead character to engage with.

Insecure has had one episode. Watch the first episode of Atlanta and tell me about the superb development of all the characters outside of the lead?

To be honest, I think you're giving a lot of undue credit to the characters on Atlanta. Other than the lead and maybe the drug dealer/rapper, all of those characters are "cardboard cut outs". Again, you just like them and relate to them more because a black male is telling the story. That's literally the differentiating factor.

 

[Matt504]

Insecure has had one episode. Watch the first episode of Atlanta and tell me about the superb development of all the characters outside of the lead?

To be honest, I think you're giving a lot of undue credit to the characters on Atlanta. Other than the lead and maybe the drug dealer/rapper, all of those characters are "cardboard cut outs". Again, you just like them and relate to them more because a black male is telling the story. That's literally the differentiating factor.

this.

 

[Citi Trends]

Other than the lead and maybe the drug dealer/rapper, all of those characters are "cardboard cut outs".

 

[PartyHeart]

It's the effectiveness of those "stereotypes" and how you lay them down, not just them existing alone.

Trust me, if Atlanta was a c00n show no one would be fukking with it, especially if it's coming from someone like Donald Glover who people perceive as not being aware of his blackness.

I disagree completely, but ok. Mary Jane is a character layered in the same fashion, and right below your post is the same poster complaining about the stereotypes in BMJ.

Again, the difference is in the story tellers. One story teller is a black male, thus his story is legitimized. The other is a black woman so her story is picked apart.

 

[Neuromancer]

Brehs stop arguing just don't support her. Vote with your viewership and dollars.

 

[Ziggiy]

15 minutes in and I know why nikkas is mad.

a lot of you nikkas see yourself in Issa's boyfriend and it's burning your souls.

Actually the point is a lot of us DONT see ourselves in issa's boyfriend. A lazy, half-retarded idiot who would fit right in as the fourth stooge? Nah

 

[Booker T Garvey]

Umm Breaking Bad? They had a lot white trash on that show.

But I totally see where you are coming from.

everybody says breaking bad when i bring this up and technically you're right,

but nah, i'm talking about a show about a chick or a group of chicks dating and these cats are just ordinary characters:

or a show where a character is constantly being hounded by the FBI for his porn collection on some comedy shyt

"damn bob, the FBI after you again!? dump that hard drive man, quit being sick!"

some shyt like that....we'll NEVER see it. it would seem too odd and off-putting even though this is shyt that happens EVERY DAY in america.

 

[DrBanneker]

If you don't like the reality that is being reflected, change the reflection... don't get mad at the mirror...

Black men are the most underemployed/unemployed men (by design) out here... it's not a farce to depict the struggle of dating an unemployed Black man...

Black men are having children out of wedlock at a higher rate than usual. Marriage rates are down. This website even proliferates the hit it and quit it, smash and dash mentality. So encountering a man who is only interested in sex is not bashing. It's the truth.

I don't agree that there won't be an ordinary brother on the show... I think there already was... the only interested in sex brother was very regular... I don't think he is a terrible person because he was looking for a friends with benefits situation. I think that is quite common in regular dudes these days.

It makes him a terrible choice as a partner but not a terrible person. Just like not all Black corporate women are stuck up, boogie, and manless; there are some.

I don't see why Black men feel offended by the depictions so far.

I don't ask for Black men to be portrayed as angels or flawless, but the media is never "real life" it is a reflection of what people want to see or escape to. By this argument, The Cosby Show should have been about a crack dealer who beats his wife and has four kids by different women, because sadly that was a reality for a lot of Black men when crime was at its peak.

But Bill Cosby wanted to show the world a different side of Black America and combat the vision that we were only good for nothings--and also have people aspire for better.

I've got nothing against interracial marriage but when every show these days seems to want to convince Black women their only true happiness is without us, I agree we can call BS. Black men and women marry each other at a greater rate than any other minority group. Over 50% of Jewish men and women under 40 marry out. How many shows are there talking about "get me that gentile" and dissing Jewish culture and men for the plot line? Though that seems to be the "reality"...

90% of White shows aren't about the lower working class or poor on meth trying to get a living. They aren't about the unemployed or the 40-50% of White households that are divorced. It is ritzy, NY upper middle class living. They aren't told they can't find happiness with their own men, etc.

 

[AlainLocke]

Insecure has had one episode. Watch the first episode of Atlanta and tell me about the superb development of all the characters outside of the lead?

To be honest, I think you're giving a lot of undue credit to the characters on Atlanta. Other than the lead and maybe the drug dealer/rapper, all of those characters are "cardboard cut outs". Again, you just like them and relate to them more because a black male is telling the story. That's literally the differentiating factor.

You can count the characters of Atlanta on one hand so far. And there is only 20 mins of airtime.

Earn, PaperBoy and the awkward nikka are the main characters. The baby momma is a supporting character so far, and she isn't a cardboard stereotype.

Atlanta is set up sort of like Seinfeld. It's a show that doesn't take it self seriously but has a lot to say about everyday life.

The reason why I like Atlanta because it's an authentic true to life depiction of what it is like to be a lower Middle Class Black male trying to make it.

It isn't a hood show. It is isn't some wannabe Cosby Show. It isn't some "Lets show successful Black people...but give them crazy problems" show. It isn't the typical "Young Professional Black people living in a major city". It isn't some corny White boy shyt either.

It's something that Black people has never made before. A show that is a day in a life of a Black person. It isn't trying to prove Black people can be anything.

And Insecure is an adaptation of Awkward Black Girl...we already get what the show is about and what she is about. I doubt it's gonna change.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

15 minutes in and I know why nikkas is mad.

a lot of you nikkas see yourself in Issa's boyfriend and it's burning your souls.

I have a full time career not just a job. haven't been unemployed in well over a decade and that was b/c i was looking for work after college.

i'm 34 years old I'd kill myself if i hadn't had a job in 4 years and i'm not joking.

 

[Colicat]

sweety how many times are we gonna go through this. you got called out in the thread. just stop

I'm not your fukking sweetie, dikk... there is absolutely nothing that we have gone through...

You are just a passive aggressive bytch... grow up and stop sucking the nuts of lunatics who lie

 

[Citi Trends]

Actually the point is a lot of us DONT see ourselves in issa's boyfriend. A lazy, half-retarded idiot who would fit right in as the fourth stooge? Nah

still waiting for that show with normal brothers having to deal with thots and single mothers
to hold up a mirror for sisters and show our reality

 

[AlainLocke]

still waiting for that show with normal brothers having to deal with thots and single mothers
to hold up a mirror for sisters and show our reality

Bruh...

If I made a TV show about the bytch I have dealt with...

Black feminists would lynch me

 

[PartyHeart]

You can count the characters of Atlanta on one hand so far. And there is only 20 mins of airtime.

Earn, PaperBoy and the awkward nikka are the main characters. The baby momma is a supporting character so far, and she isn't a cardboard stereotype.

Atlanta is set up sort of like Seinfeld. It's a show that doesn't take it self seriously but has a lot to say about everyday life.

The reason why I like Atlanta because it's an authentic true to life depiction of what it is like to be a lower Middle Class Black male trying to make it.

It isn't a hood show. It is isn't some wannabe Cosby Show. It isn't some "Lets show successful Black people...but give them crazy problems" show. It isn't the typical "Young Professional Black people living in a major city". It isn't some corny White boy shyt either.

It's something that Black people has never made before. A show that is a day in a life of a Black person. It isn't trying to prove Black people can be anything.

But Insecure is? K.

Enjoy your heavily nuanced, layered, non-stereotypical show in Atlanta. You don't have to support Insecure. Its a black woman centered and created show, and we are very aware black men largely feel no obligation to support that, despite black women having no problem supporting the reverse situation. It is what it is.