Issa Rae’s Emmy Winning Series: Insecure Official Thread

[Tupac in a Business Suit]

While I think the Issa character is a piece of shyt I can't necessarily agree with this statement. We meet Issa and Lawrence YEARS into their relationship, and this other girl and Lawrence are in a new relationship, if we can even call it that. Issa probably was, or could have been, just as supportive or more so during the beginning of their relationship, and this chick probably isn't going to be so cool a couple of years into their situation.

Im going based off what we can see and what she has told Lawrence about his personal and professional life in comparison to how Issa typically handles things in both her personal and professional lives is what led me to that assessment.

 

[Tupac in a Business Suit]

Not to beat the horse over the head but I want those of you who read my comments last week regarding Lawrence and Issa's "break-up" to watch this video that I found in TLR. It's a bit long but the author of the video's comments are in a similar vein to my attempt at bringing the point across about Lawrence. Watch the video objectively and tell me if you still disagree with my view of Lawrence.

 

[Oville]

I agree with your definition but I think that they were just emotional and caught up in the moment trying their best to one up one another with the insults.

However. Word to @Theraflu there is a clear contrast beteeen how Lawrence was around Tasha and her family versus his non black counterparts.

Difference is though he was pre-occupied with another affair while attending that bbq with Tasha while most of the non-black counterparts are people he's seeing while at work.

 

[Oville]

Nah. He could have been like dude is ugly or broke just like I was. Theres a reason Lawrence mocked Daniel being a producer and implied he wasn't a gentleman because of it. There is no other reason to question Daniel's character after pointing out his occupation. Its classist.

Meh, I just think in the heat of the moment when your pride is fukked up people will say anything to tear someone down. I don't think he carries an aura of feeling better than anybody. Seems like if anything its the opposite.

 

[Gravity]

Not to beat the horse over the head but I want those of you who read my comments last week regarding Lawrence and Issa's "break-up" to watch this video that I found in TLR. It's a bit long but the author of the video's comments are in a similar vein to my attempt at bringing the point across about Lawrence. Watch the video objectively and tell me if you still disagree with my view of Lawrence.

I stopped after the first min because the fist thing he says is wrong. I wouldn't listen to let alone take advice from this guy because he doesn't know what he is talking about.

The main reason that people cheat is because they're selfish and dishonest. Saying that people cheat because they're unhappy and unfulfilled is a cop out. That's victim-blaming. If you're unhappy and unfulfilled then you discuss those feelings with your partner or just end the relationship. That's the agreement you make when you enter a relationship. That's why cheating is called breaking the trust.

Just take the L fam. You're wrong.

 

[Tupac in a Business Suit]

I stopped after the first min because the fist thing he says is wrong. I wouldn't listen to let alone take advice from this guy because he doesn't know what he is talking about.

The main reason that people cheat is because they're selfish and dishonest. Saying that people cheat because they're unhappy and unfulfilled is a cop out. That's victim-blaming. If you're unhappy and unfulfilled then you discuss those feelings with your partner or just end the relationship. That's the agreement you make when you enter a relationship. That's why cheating is called breaking the trust.

Just take the L fam. You're wrong.

lol you are funny. I didn't ask if I was right or wrong, but rather if you still disagreed. You have a strong opinion on this matter and are entititled to it. However, I was looking for whether you thought his point was valid. He, after all is just like me, a man speaking on his experiences as are you. So techinically speaking, there is no right or wrong, but objectively getting you to a level where you can see things from a different perspective.

So @Gravity, adding rationale to your statement, are all individuals who are selfish and dishonest, more than likely to be cheaters than not? Because in the video, the author did say that people stick in bad relationships for selfish reasons and more often than not, they are dishonest with themselves. Adding more logic to the arugment, if a person is not honest with themselves, can they be honest with another person?

I strongly suggest you watch the remainder of the video but if you think that this is an arugment of right versus wrong, who am I to tell you what you are....

 

[Fani Willis fan]

Had to find out too late that this shyt is damn near a porno. Never in my life have I seen a nikka nut on a girl's face at 8 pm on cable tv

I was watching this with my younger sis

 

[Gravity]

lol you are funny. I didn't ask if I was right or wrong, but rather if you still disagreed.

Do you not know what the words "agree/disagree" mean? If people disagree wtih you then by definition of the word they're saying that you're wrong. Yes you did ask if you were right or wrong. I'm telling you that I don't agree because I think that you're wrong.

You have a strong opinion on this matter and are entititled to it. However, I was looking for whether you thought his point was valid. He, after all is just like me, a man speaking on his experiences as are you. So techinically speaking, there is no right or wrong, but objectively getting you to a level where you can see things from a different perspective.

I don't really see how I could've been anymore clear in expressing that I don't think that the guy's point is valid. What part of my explanation for why his point isn't valid didn't you understand? Again, this is about right and wrong because you're asking for people's judgement. People can either judge that you and this guy's perspective is right or it's wrong. I'm saying that you're wrong and I explained why. Being unhappy and unfulfilled is not a valid reason or excuse for cheating. If that's your perspective then you have a false perspective.

So @Gravity, adding rationale to your statement, are all individuals who are selfish and dishonest, more than likely to be cheaters than not?

Common sense tells me the answer to this question is yes.

Adding more logic to the arugment, if a person is not honest with themselves, can they be honest with another person?

Common sense tells me the answer to this question is no.

I don't need to watch the video because I don't care for the opinion of the person in it. To say that people cheat because they're happy and unfulfilled is ignorant and false. If your position or perspective is based on a false premise then your position/perspective is false. Being unhappy and unfulfilled are common excuses that people give but those aren't valid excuses for cheating. The reasons that people cheat are selfishness, dishonesty, cowardliness, and laziness. What's your argument against this because I don't see one. Do you honestly think that someone claiming to be unhappy and unfulfilled is a valid reason to cheat?

Had to find out too late that this shyt is damn near a porno. Never in my life have I seen a nikka nut on a girl's face at 8 pm on cable tv

I was watching this with my younger sis

They say the next ep airs at 11pm so you already know it's going to be more porn type scenes in the finale This is why I've stopped celebrating black acceptance. They're always strings attached to whatever bones they throw us.

 

[Tupac in a Business Suit]

Do you not know what the words "agree/disagree" mean? If people disagree wtih you then by definition of the word they're saying that you're wrong. Yes you did ask if you were right or wrong. I'm telling you that I don't agree because I think that you're wrong.

Your entire argument is to counter my point, therefore alluding to yourself as the victor when all you did was create a counterpoint based on what you have theorized as being correct. It's evident in the way that you respond to questions with a vigor that you are incapable of bringing an intelligent discussion without the need to downplay another person's intellect simply because they disagree. Once again @Gravity because someone disagrees with you does not necessarily mean that they are right/wrong. Nothing in life happens in a vacuum brother.

I don't really see how I could've been any more clear in expressing that I don't think that the guy's point is valid. What part of my explanation for why his point isn't valid didn't you understand? Again, this is about right and wrong because you're asking for people's judgment. People can either judge that you and this guy's perspective is right or it's wrong. I'm saying that you're wrong and I explained why. Being unhappy and unfulfilled is not a valid reason or excuse for cheating. If that's your perspective then you have a false perspective.

Yes, you have explained why the guy is wrong after one minute of the video because you are of the opinion that there should be no good reason to cheat on someone. Now while I agree that cheating should not be the answer and whether those reasons given are invalid or are lazy are another subject, it is still a reflection upon oneself, which in this case and my original point and to the point of the video is that the responsiblity still lies with me, the person who allowed myself to ignore the signs.

Common sense tells me the answer to this question is yes.

Common sense tells me the answer to this question is no.

What you are failing to realize and understand is that common sense is not so common because ultimately, if you are in a relationship with someone with those characteristics, wouldn't common sense tells you that the likelihood of what happened to Lawrence be very high?

If common sense also told you that the person who cannot be 100 or real with themselves how in the world would you absolve that person for still existing in a situation blindly, unless they themselves did not have common sense?

I don't need to watch the video because I don't care for the opinion of the person in it. To say that people cheat because they're happy and unfulfilled is ignorant and false. If your position or perspective is based on a false premise then your position/perspective is false. Being unhappy and unfulfilled are common excuses that people give but those aren't valid excuses for cheating. The reasons that people cheat are selfishness, dishonesty, cowardliness, and laziness. What's your argument against this because I don't see one. Do you honestly think that someone claiming to be unhappy and unfulfilled is a valid reason to cheat?

 

[Gravity]

i can't format my posts correctly.

We're done bruh.

 

[dj-method-x]

This season is downright depressing. All I see is black women losing left and right on this shyt. Issa, Molly, all these broads are wild dumb and annoying.

 

[southern.girl]

Not to beat the horse over the head but I want those of you who read my comments last week regarding Lawrence and Issa's "break-up" to watch this video that I found in TLR. It's a bit long but the author of the video's comments are in a similar vein to my attempt at bringing the point across about Lawrence. Watch the video objectively and tell me if you still disagree with my view of Lawrence.

I disagree.

The only thing that this guy was spot on about was the fact that the woman (i.e. Issa) was passive aggressive & lacks proper communication. Prior to cheating, I think Issa was at least respectful. For instance, many women would have went on a tirade after Lawrence contemplated quitting his tech job after being unemployed for 2 years. Issa redirected that plan while still being very considerate to his feelings.

Characterizing Issa as a moral-less, habitual cheater is a bit overkill considering that she dropped Daniel as soon as they had sex. Now, I can understand why Lawrence thinks she's a whore b/c he's viewing this from the worst case scenario.

Additionally, I think that Lawrence has the same passive aggressive/non communicative traits as Issa. Accepting an invite to a family BBQ but dipping out on some none mandatory work event is the definition of passive aggressiveness. Also, Lawrence doesn't address anything until he's put in a corner (i.e. no action to swallow your pride & get a job until Issa was visibly upset or having to be pushed out of your friend's apartment with his live in fiancé). Lawrence is the definition of letting life happen to him. He had no agency.

Finally, I think that the rest of his advice is superficial. I do not agree with making sure that your mate is more into you, than vice versa or that you should always make sure that your mate is initiating 80% of the contact. Reason being.

1. It does not consider different personality types. For instance, I am very reclusive so it can seem like I'm not interested vs a chick who always wants attention & you just don't realize that she's like that with every guy...basically, some people come across as more affectionate but that's just their personality.
2. If you can be that calculated with a person, 9/10 you are not that invested. It paves the way for a very unfulfilling relationship.

My bottomline is to know what you want and let the relationship flow naturally. If the relationship trajectory is not meeting your desires, then communicate that. If a negative trajectory continues, leave the relationship. These new rules are nothing but games that further complicate what's supposed to be a natural interaction that benefits & uplifts both parties.

Sorry for the book.

 

[jwinfield]

They say the next ep airs at 11pm so you already know it's going to be more porn type scenes in the finale This is why I've stopped celebrating black acceptance. They're always strings attached to whatever bones they throw us.

Eh, Girls had the same time slot and they showed a dude nutting on a chick's chest.

On HBO I'm not surprised at anything that they show.

 

[Gravity]

Eh, Girls had the same time slot and they showed a dude nutting on a chick's chest.

On HBO I'm not surprised at anything that they show.

fukk you doing watching girls?

 

[Tupac in a Business Suit]

I disagree.

The only thing that this guy was spot on about was the fact that the woman (i.e. Issa) was passive aggressive & lacks proper communication. Outside of cheating, I think Issa was at least respectful. For instance, many women would have went on a tirade after Lawrence contemplated quitting his tech job after being unemployed for 2 years. Issa redirected that plan while still being very considerate to his feelings.

Characterizing Issa as a moral-less, habitual cheater is a bit overkill considering that she dropped Daniel as soon as they had sex. Now, I can understand why Lawrence thinks she's a whore b/c he's viewing this from the worst case scenario.

Additionally, I think that Lawrence has the same passive aggressive/non communicative traits as Issa. Accepting an invite to a family BBQ but dipping out on some none mandatory work event is the definition of passive aggressiveness. Also, Lawrence doesn't address anything until he's put in a corner (i.e. no action to swallow your pride & get a job until Issa was visibly upset or having to be pushed out of your friend's apartment with his live in fiancé). Lawrence is the definition of letting life happen to him. He had no agency.

Finally, I think that the rest of his advice is superficial. I do not agree with making sure that your mate is more into you, than vice versa or that you should always make sure that your mate is initiating 80% of the contact. Reason being.

1. It does not consider different personality types. For instance, I am very reclusive so it can seem like I'm not interested vs a chick who always wants attention & you just don't realize that she's like that wig every guy.
2. If you can be that calculated with a person, 9/10 you are not that invested. It paves the way for a very unfulfilling relationship.

My bottomline is know what you want and let the relationship flow naturally. If the trajectory is not meeting your desires, then communicate that. If a negative trajectory continues, leave the relationship. These rules are nothing but games that further complicate what's supposed to be a natural interaction that benefits & uplifts all parties.

Sorry for the book.

Its all good. We share the same views essentially. My point with adding the video was not that I share every view that he did about why people cheat but rather that the signs are always there. To add to your point, Lawrence lets things happen instead of taking charge as we saw again this past episode where he lets Apache make the decision for him to come to the dinner.