::Is This The End? Flash to the Summer:: The Official Miami Heat 2018 Off-Season Thread

[iamduval]

I traded Kawhi to the Heat on 2K for Whiteside and Winslow and this team is crazy

Then PG13 in a sign and trade for Josh Richardson and Tyler

 

[Primetime21]

Clearly heat nation is split on who the blame should go to.

Spo and Whiteside both have to shoulder the bulk of the blame. Honestly there's no more excuses for Whiteside When you're supposed to be the best player on the team you go out and impose your will on the game, you dont let circumstances impose their will on you. He don't have that dog in him.

That's my point. Who should we hire in placd of Spo?

Whoever it is, it will be an internal hire. I've been on record saying Juwan should be next in line. Last thing we need is another former video coordinator like Dan Craig taking over.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

This is a really interesting perspective. I just don't see which coaches win more than the winning Miami did in the Big3 era. Brad Stevens is a great coach, but he's in Boston, period....

I mean, we see coaches with more talent than this heat team choking it away every year in the playoffs. Everyteam Miami lost to in the playoffs since LeBron absence and even when LeBron was here, were all favorites to win and had better records than Miami. Except Dallas in 2011.

Look at Dwane Casey in Toronto, Terry Stots in Portland, D'Antoni lost the other night when they should be on their way to a 2-0 series lead. Doc Rivers underachieved with Lob City. I mean, there are MANY coaches who do worse with more talent than Spo. You think Miami is more talented than any of those teams? The few coaches that are heads and shoulders better than Spo are already locked in to their franchises. I just think Heat nation is spoiled rotten. We see other teams with their shiny new toys and don't appreciate what we've received so far. Just gotta ride the storm until we can lure Popovich from San Antonio or until Chris Quinn gets the promotion to head coach.

Did the clips really underachieve though? They had how many healthy postseasons? 2014 and 2015? In 2014 the refs hosed them at the end of game 5 several plays in a row and it’s not like they’d have beaten the Spurs anyway in the next round. Same goes for 2015. Let’s say that josh smith and Corey brewer don’t suddenly turn into the splash brothers in game 6. Well then they face the actual splash brothers the next round and the warriors have been embarrassing them the way the patriots do the bills since that season.

As for the Heat, in big 3 era, Pat gets us a third title in 2011 just off the fact that we know he’d have taken Bibby out of the lineup sooner than game 6 of the finals and maybe Anthony too when you consider the fact that Dallas literally wasn’t even trying to guard them. Our sixth man most of the year was a lights out shooter who beat Paul Pierce and Ray Allen in the three point shootout that season and Spo just took him out of the rotation as soon as Haslem was ready to go and we just ran an 8 man rotation. As for the present era, I’m not sure who’s been available but I’d legit give a chance to any coach you can name, and that includes Scotty Brooks, Randy wittman, or Mark Jackson. The third quarter/second half meltdowns that happen almost every game are enough for me to try any other coach. Just this year alone we had 29 different games where we lost at least one quarter after halftime by 9 or more. I think @HiphopRelated posted a graphic showing we averaged 22 points per third quarter. For some perspective I think only one team in the league averaged under 100 points per game. I think a few years ago we averaged 19 points per third quarter. We know what we’re getting out of him and it’s mediocrity at best. Six seasons minus LeBron and he’s had one season where the offense finished in the top half of the league, but 3-5 where it finished bottom 7 in scoring and assists. One playoff series win in those six years too.

 

[Biscayne]

Did the clips really underachieve though? They had how many healthy postseasons? 2014 and 2015? In 2014 the refs hosed them at the end of game 5 several plays in a row and it’s not like they’d have beaten the Spurs anyway in the next round. Same goes for 2015. Let’s say that josh smith and Corey brewer don’t suddenly turn into the splash brothers in game 6. Well then they face the actual splash brothers the next round and the warriors have been embarrassing them the way the patriots do the bills since that season.

As for the Heat, in big 3 era, pat gets us a third title in 2011 just off the fact that we know he’d have taken Bibby out of the lineup sooner than game 6 of the finals and maybe Anthony too. Our sixth man most of the year was a lights out shooter who beat Paul Pierce and Ray Allen in the three point shootout that season and Spo just took him out of the rotation as soon as Haslem was ready to go and we just ran an 8 man rotation. As for the present era, I’m not sure who’s been available but I’d legit give a chance to any coach you can name, and that includes Scotty Brooks, Randy wittman, or Mark Jackson. The third quarter/second half meltdowns that happen almost every game are enough for me to try any other coach. Just this year alone we had 29 different games where we lost at least one quarter after halftime by 9 or more. I think @HiphopRelated posted a graphic showing we averaged 22 points per third quarter. For some perspective I think only one team in the league averaged under 100 points per game. I think a few years ago we averaged 19 points per third quarter. We know what we’re getting out of him and it’s mediocrity at best. Six seasons minus LeBron and he’s had one season where the offense finished in the top half of the league, but 3-5 where it finished bottom 7 in scoring and assists. One playoff series win in those six years too.

Even Scotty Brooks?

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Even Scotty Brooks?

Players developed pretty well under him in Oklahoma City and it’s not like our offense has been much different in the way of ball movement . Look at our assists per game under Spo his entire career. The only good years are 2012-13 and 2013-14. He’s got at least 3 seasons where we finished 23rd or worse in assists though.

 

[intruder]

I traded Kawhi to the Heat on 2K for Whiteside and Winslow and this team is crazy

Let's not torture ourselves with these fantasies, brehs
WOuld be nice, tho
But Miami doesnt sound like a preferred destination for Kawhi and his people. They want a top 3 market ala LA, NY, CHI from what i heard/read

 

[Samson]

Thoughts on this trade?
NBA Trade Machine - ESPN
Deng + their 25th pick of course.
It works for both teams. We get a pick this year, Deng is the same contract that Dragic has and we get worse next year. Lakers gets someone that fits their system. Can shoot 3s and penetrate, help mentor Lonzo, play good D, and distribute in a good system.

100%


You give us brad Steven's and we're going to the finals. None of these teams in the east are anything special. That's why the Cavs barely squeaked by the Pacers. We have all the tools to beat any team in the east right now. We just have an incompetent coach who has no idea how to utilize the talents of our players.

Everybody on our team just runs around the court like chickens with their heads cut off because they arent allowed to play to their strengths.

We have one of the most gifted shot blockers in nba history on our team, but our coach told him to stop blocking shots. Hassan stopped chasing blocks and improved his offensive game to the point he was becoming an automatic 20 and 10 guy every night. Then our genius head coach told him to stop shooting and set screens all game. Now Hassan is joakim Noah 2.0.

We have versatile guys like justise and James Johnson who can play 1 through 4, but they just wander around the court looking clueless because they have no defined role. You sometimes forget they're even on the floor.

We got one of the best shooters in the game in wayne Ellington but our coach has no idea how to get him open looks. Our offense is such a clusterfukk that he can barely get a clear shot off.

We got Dragic who's one of the best scoring point guards in the league who routinely goes on 3-4 game stretches where he's non existent.

J rich who's one of the best young two way players in the game. Dude could be on his way to stardom but with spoelstra I doubt he ever makes that leap. Dude will never be anything more than a 15ppg scorer in this shytty ass system.


This whole team is versatile as fukk. Most coaches would love to have this type of roster. We got a solid mix of young guys and tough nosed vets. Scorers. Guys who can stretch the floor. Shooters. Size. Shot blockers. We got it all.

We just have a coach who has no idea how to get them all to work together in a cohesive system. And it's been this way since the lebron days. No ball movement. 3rd quarter slumps. Late game choke jobs. As long as spo is coaching this team, it will never end. We can get khawi, we can get PG. We can get any star out there. It will mean nothing because spo won't have any idea what to do with them. If this moron could barely win with bron, wade, and Bosh. We have no chance to win no matter who we get. I have no idea how anybody could defend this clown anymore. It's clear as day that he's the biggest problem on this team. He's not the only problem, but he's definitely the biggest. And as long as he's the coach, we won't ever win another title again.

Will rep when I can.

 

[LeoTheGreat]

Spo ain't going nowhere unless he knocks up his dancer wife again and becomes a family man so we stuck with him. Only Brad Stevens or Pop would be an improvement over him anyways. Yeah Spo is a dikk to Hassan and fukks up coming out of halftime but thats not all coaching, we are deficient of all star talent. We had no all stars this year until a few guys got hurt so they had to throw Goran a bone. We can't keep up with teams that have all stars in their 20's balling us up off talent alone.

Only way we can improve is to fleece someone in the offseason for a star otherwise we are what we are, a 45 win team at most that gets bounced in the 1st round. 08-09 D-Wade ain't walking thru that door brehs

 

[OfTheCross]

That's my point. Who should we hire in placd of Spo?

That's my question too...

We should get a legendary Euro coach that's proven

 

[He Who Posts Well]

That's my point. Who should we hire in placd of Spo?

I can coach the team if they ask me

 

[ReggieFlare]

Brehs, I'm tired of us having such a shyt offensive system. Defensively we can do our thing but one thing I've noticed about
Spo led teams is that there is hardly ever an offensive scheme. We've been fortunate in the past to have really talented and smart players who have been able to make lemonade but going forward that's not going to cut it.

I look at teams like Boston who don't quite have the best talent at the moment but still can find alot of success just by having a great system and very disciplined players. It almost seems like we don't even practice with how difficult it is for us to get into an offensive rythm.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Brehs, I'm tired of us having such a shyt offensive system. Defensively we can do our thing but one thing I've noticed about
Spo led teams is that there is hardly ever an offensive scheme. We've been fortunate in the past to have really talented and smart players who have been able to make lemonade but going forward that's not going to cut it.

I look at teams like Boston who don't quite have the best talent at the moment but still can find alot of success just by having a great system and very disciplined players. It almost seems like we don't even practice with how difficult it is for us to get into an offensive rythm.

It’s always been this way too. Spo will give major minutes to guys totally incapable of scoring if they can defend (see starting Winslow at center in game 7 even though Toronto didn’t bother guarding him), but all that defense doesn’t mean shyt if all your offensive sets deteriorate into failed high pick and rolls or isolation sets while 3-4 guys stand and watch. That shyt compromises the defense too since said terrible offense leads to long jumpers which miss and lead to long rebounds or turnovers that ignite fast breaks. Even if your transition defense is top notch, after a while the defense eventually wears down from having to play so hard to keep them in the game. The 2011 finals was a great example of this, as the defense got progressively worse as the series went on. The only time our offense ever looks any good is when they get out and run off turnovers pretty much.

 

[LeoTheGreat]

NBA Trade Machine - ESPN

 

[Freddie.Cane]

NBA Trade Machine - ESPN

 

[Sohh_lifted]

Thoughts on this trade?
NBA Trade Machine - ESPN
Deng + their 25th pick of course.
It works for both teams. We get a pick this year, Deng is the same contract that Dragic has and we get worse next year. Lakers gets someone that fits their system. Can shoot 3s and penetrate, help mentor Lonzo, play good D, and distribute in a good system.


Will rep when I can.

why trade for deng? he's gonna more than likely get bought out and im sure he'd love to come back for the vet min.....smh cmon y'all and we really not gonna bring up in 2011...LEBRON COULDNT POST UP JJ BAREA!!!!!! HELLO!!!!