::Is This The End? Flash to the Summer:: The Official Miami Heat 2018 Off-Season Thread

Mantis Toboggan M.D.

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Watching Boston just makes me more pissed that we lost to the Sixers. Boston dont even got their 2 best players. but because they have a REAL coach, they were able to easily handle that inexperienced Sixers team. With how much talent and depth we have, there's no reason we shouldn't still be in the playoffs. You give Stevens our team and we are going to the finals. No doubt about it. We have everything. Scorers, shooters, size, defense, heart......we had EVERYTHING needed to be in the the ECF. shyt is just pathetic. It's officially fukk riley if he dont get rid of this fakkit.
It feels like we don’t even begin possessions inside the arc at any point. I’ve been hate-watching the team basically since 2014-15 began with how bad our offense always looks and manages to make everyone look mediocre. There’s no justification to employ Spo any longer and I agree fully that if Pat wants to stand by him, then he needs to go too. I’ve only watched one coach this postseason look as clueless as him.
 

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"Treadmill for two seasons and then we'll have some cap space to make moves! Jokes on you!" :mjlol:

Y'all are cute.


That plan is worse than trusting the process :mjlol:



No draft picks to show for it :francis:
 

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Unfortunately A LOT of fanbases have fell for that as well, smh.

If you don't draft a superstar talent, you don't have the picks to TRADE for a superstar talent, or you don't have a superstar on your roster to ATTRACT superstar talent because stars wanna play with stars...how would you suggest getting it?

Y'all realize that that the flexibility that teams get with drafted picks (Dirt cheap contracts for 4 years, ability for an extension, rights for first refusal, ability to extend them over the cap) is fukking ENORMOUS especially relative to their cost?

In what world are you seeing where top ten draft picks aren't among the most valuable resources in the league? Why do Philly and Boston have the brightest futures in the league? :dwillhuh:

I bet OKC would rather have a top ten draft pick on a rookie contract than fukking Carmelo Anthony 27 million dollar contract next season even if the rookie was worse than Melo because Melo's contract actively DESTROYS OKC'S FINANCIAL FLEXIBILITY :pachaha:
 

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It could go bad and take forever sure, but the majority of the time that’s how you get your star. That or fleecing a team for their top pick, and that usually gets a complimentary player like how the Celtics and lakers got Kevin McHale & Robert Parrish and James worthy. Here’s a few guys who took the team that drafted them to the finals as it’s best player and won at least one of the 3 between finals MVP, a league MVP, or defensive player of the year award in their careers

:mjpls: - third overall pick

Hakeem - top overall pick

:troll: - top overall pick

Wade - fifth overall pick

Duncan - top overall pick

:shaq: - top overall pick (signed in Los Angeles as a free agent after his rookie deal)

KD - second overall pick

Curry - ninth overall pick

:aicmon: - top overall pick

Dwight - top overall pick

Dirk - ninth overall pick

:childplease: - 13th overall pick

Magic - top overall pick

Kareem - top overall pick

Seeing a pattern here?

To follow up on my previous post, here’s the teams since 1980 that went to the finals with their best player being a past, present, or future MVP, finals MVP, or DPOY that they either signed as a free agent or traded for:

1980-85 Lakers with Kareem: they fleeced the bucks hard for Kareem and got 3 first round picks from the Jazz for Gail Goodrich in 1976, including the one they used on magic. They also gave up next to nothing for the top pick in 1982 (James Worthy)

1992-93 suns with Charles Barkley: they gave up two guys who averaged a combined 12.8 points on the career and Jeff Hornacek for Chuck

2000-04 Lakers: signed Shaq as a free agent after the magic got cheap with him

2003-04 pistons: total anomaly how they were put together

2007-08 Celtics: already had Pierce. Traded Delonte West, Wally Szczerbiak, Jeff green, Al Jefferson, Ryan Gomes, Theo Ratliff, Sebastian Telfair, and a first round pick for Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett.

2011-14 heat: signed LeBron as a free agent. Wade was already there

2015-present day cavaliers: LeBron decided to go back to win one for Cleveland and they got the top pick basically every year he was in Miami so they got Kyrie in the 2011 draft.

So basically, you could do it either way :yeshrug:
 

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If you don't draft a superstar talent, you don't have the picks to TRADE for a superstar talent, or you don't have a superstar on your roster to ATTRACT superstar talent because stars wanna play with stars...how would you suggest getting it?

Y'all realize that that the flexibility that teams get with drafted picks (Dirt cheap contracts for 4 years, ability for an extension, rights for first refusal, ability to extend them over the cap) is fukking ENORMOUS especially relative to their cost?

In what world are you seeing where top ten draft picks aren't among the most valuable resources in the league? Why do Philly and Boston have the brightest futures in the league? :dwillhuh:

I bet OKC would rather have a top ten draft pick on a rookie contract than fukking Carmelo Anthony 27 million dollar contract next season even if the rookie was worse than Melo because Melo's contract actively DESTROYS OKC'S FINANCIAL FLEXIBILITY :pachaha:

Your silly ass taking a shot at OKC to annoy me, and I'm not even a Thunder fan.

Secondly, I just don't believe in sacrificing multiple seasons for the HOPE that said draft pick turns out. Like a poster said earlier in this thread, luck plays a significant role in a rebuild. We've seen too many times where teams tank for top picks, and those picks turn out to be trash
 

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So basically, you could do it either way :yeshrug:
The point is that it’s much more frequently done by teams using their own top ten pick. You can’t count on trades that get you 3 first round picks or trading scrubs for a multi time mvp or the best center and top 5 player on the planet wanting to leave his team because they low balled him. Even when the heat did it through free agency, it was possible because their cornerstone player was already there. You think James and bosh would’ve signed if Wade wasn’t here? How’d we get Wade in the first place?
 
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