Too many black men Vs black women threads/Discussions
That's how they try to divide you
That's how they try to divide you
Is This "Black Male Privilege Checklist" True?
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at how terrible this crap is, I couldn't even get through half of it.Why are black women (feminist) so obsessed with being our competition?
we are suppose to be working together, quit falling for this trap.
Grand Eeezus Maxwell
"Time is when, God....lounge!!"
We're just gonna keep fighting each other, huh?
I now you got what you want ladies, the c00ns have arrived. I am staying out of this one.
WheresWallace
Superstar
Posted by @PartyHeart and dapped by @SouthernBelle, @dora_da_destroyer, @ebonykiss, @folasade, @Juicy, @Rawtid and @Anothergirl. All female posters.
The Black Male Privilege Checklist
1. I don't have to choose my race over my sex in political matters. (Sorta agree but not strongly agree)
2. When I read African American History textbooks, I will learn mainly about black men. (at the idea of "African American History Txt books. I've never seen one in school)
3. When I learn about the Civil Rights Movement & the Black Power Movements, most of the leaders that I will learn about will be black men. (If she means "formal" learning, Dis-agree. This information is self taught therefor you can self teach yourself about the women as well. There is information out there)
4. I can rely on the fact that in the near 100-year history of national civil rights organizations such as the NAACP and the Urban League, virtually all of the executive directors have been male. (NAACP is a WHITE founded organization. It is of no real benefit to ANY Black male. It benefits "colored" people which includes hispanics, asians, ect.)
5. I will be taken more seriously as a political leader than black women. (Somewhat agree, but by a narrow margin. No ones eyes light up when they see black candidates.)
6. Despite the substantial role that black women played in the Civil Rights Movement and Black Power Movement, currently there is no black female that is considered a "race leader". (Maybe this is true. Personally I don't subscribe to the idea of black leaders as most of them simply organize pointless marches and play pacifier instead of initiate real action.)
7. I can live my life without ever having read black feminist authors, or knowing about black women's history, or black women's issues. (Dis-agree. As I said before, black history/culture is self taught in America. If you don't read about the women then that is a personal choice.)
8. I can be a part of a black liberation organization like the Black Panther Party where an "out" rapist Eldridge Cleaver can assume leadership position. (If this was the 70's I would agree. Eldridge dies in '98. But again, I agree that is wrong. But we are talking about 2013. Side note, women rapist and pedophiles routinely get a slap on the wrist so treatment of rapist is not a good argument for feminists.)
9. I will make more money than black women at equal levels of education and occupation. (Is this substantiated? Im not 100% sure this is true.)
10. Most of the national "opinion framers" in Black America including talk show hosts and politicians are men. (Im not sure the numbers but all that really doesn't mean anything because most of them are puppets and their presence does not benefit black people.)
Beauty
11. I have the ability to define black women's beauty by European standards in terms of skin tone, hair, and body size. In comparison, black women rarely define me by European standards of beauty in terms of skin tone, hair, or body size. (Beauty is not a male privilege system it is a preference enforced by WOMEN. Wasn't it women on twitter teasing Gabby Douglas??? I like the natural look on black women anyway.)
12. I do not have to worry about the daily hassles of having my hair conforming to any standard image of beauty the way black women do. (See my answer to number 11)
13. I do not have to worry about the daily hassles of being terrorized by the fear of gaining weight. In fact, in many instances bigger is better for my sex. (This is just a reach. This is not a system created to benefit anyone it is a preference. Women prefer men to have swag. I'm terrorized by the idea of not having enough swag.
14. My looks will not be the central standard by which my worth is valued by members of the opposite sex. (Again, this is not a system. Ironically enough, women enforce all this more than men do.)
Sex & Sexuality
15. I can purchase pornography that typically shows men defile women by the common practice of the "money shot.” (Dis-agree. This is an example of capitalism, porn producer produce what will sell. If women collectively bought romantic porn, guess who the porn industry will cater too?)
16. I can believe that causing pain during sex is connected with a woman's pleasure without ever asking her. (Dis-agree. This is subjective. This is not based on a privilege.)
17. I have the privilege of not wanting to be a virgin, but preferring that my wife or significant other be a virgin. (Dis-agree. True men want their women to be more pure but that is a double standard that benefits men when there are plenty of DS that benefit women. If she wants to be a whore...go ahead. Just don't think dudes will line up to marry you.)
18. When it comes to sex if I say "No", chances are that it will not be mistaken for “Yes". (Disagree. This is subjective, if dude is not a rapist then he will stop.)
19. If I am raped, no one will assume that "I should have known better" or suggest that my being raped had something to do with how I was dressed. (Dis-agree. If a man was raped he would get ZERO sympathy. No one would believe him. TERRIBLE ARGUMENT.
20. I can use sexist language like bonin’, laying the pipe, hittin-it, and banging that convey images of sexual acts based on dominance and performance. (
21. I can live in a world where polygamy is still an option for men in the United States as well as around the world.
22. In general, I prefer being involved with younger women socially and sexually
23. In general, the more sexual partners that I have the more stature I receive among my peers.
24. I have easy access to pornography that involves virtually any category of sex where men degrade women, often young women.
25. I have the privilege of being a part of a sex where "purity balls" apply to girls but not to boys.
26. When I consume pornography, I can gain pleasure from images and sounds of men causing women pain.
Popular Culture
27. I come from a tradition of humor that is based largely on insulting and disrespecting women; especially mothers.
28. I have the privilege of not having black women, dress up and play funny characters- often overweight- that are supposed to look like me for the entire nation to laugh.
29. When I go to the movies, I know that most of the leads in black films are men. I also know that all of the action heroes in black film are men.
30. I can easily imagine that most of the artists in Hip Hop are members of my sex.
31. I can easily imagine that most of the women that appear in Hip Hop videos are there solely to please men
32. Most of lyrics I listen to in hip-hop perpetuate the ideas of males dominating women, sexually and socially.
33. I have the privilege of consuming and popularizing the word pimp, which is based on the exploitation of women with virtually no opposition from other men.
34. I can hear and use language bytches and hoes that demean women, with virtually no opposition from men.
35. I can wear a shirt that others and I commonly refer to as a "wife beater" and never have the language challenged.
36. Many of my favorite movies include images of strength that do not include members of the opposite sex and often are based on violence.
37. Many of my favorite genres of films, such as martial arts, are based on violence.
38. I have the privilege of popularizing or consuming the idea of a thug, which is based on the violence and victimization of others with virtually no opposition from other men.
Attitudes/Ideology
39. I have the privilege to define black women as having "an attitude" without referencing the range of attitudes that black women have.
40. I have the privilege of defining black women's attitudes without defining my attitudes as a black man.
41. I can believe that the success of the black family is dependent on returning men to their historical place within the family, rather than in promoting policies that strengthen black women's independence, or that provide social benefits to black children.
42. I have the privilege of believing that a woman cannot raise a son to be a man.
43. I have the privilege of believing that a woman must submit to her man.
44. I have the privilege of believing that before slavery gender relationships between black men and women were perfect.
45. I have the privilege of believing that feminism is anti-black.
46. I have the privilege of believing that the failure of the black family is due to the black matriarchy.
47. I have the privilege of believing that household responsibilities are women's roles.
48. I have the privilege of believing that black women are different sexually than other women and judging them negatively based on this belief.
She might have a point
The list overall is on point. And yes I posted it, but it was authored by a brother who wants solidarity enough to actually work towards it. He is here: http://jewelwoods.com/node/9 On to the issue. I'll attempt to address it once more, just in the hope that I won't get obviously disingenuous, deflective, and intellectually dishonest responses (which I won't respond to).
The very fact that you guys have admitted this can be applied to men of all races seriously bodied all of the nonsense pleas to ignorance and pretending to not have read any specific ways in which Black women are oppressed by Black men in the last thread.
I mean really, when you break down the past 2 days the results have played out in the exact fashion that women of color feminists' tweets have spoken about. The dismissiveness, the trivalization, the refusal to believe that because you are apart of one oppressed group, the privilege you have and actively use from another group doesn't count or shouldn't be addressed. Almost as if Black feminists had scripted the stupidity of the responses by white women and Black men. And truthfully, Black men's response might have been even more shameful because you at least had prominent white feminists urging racist feminists to actually hear and understand WoC's struggle/pain, whereas you had Black males either dead silent on the issue or going HARD to silence Black women entirely.
Here's how it happened:
On Monday you had Black men on here raving and celebrating that Black feminists went in on white women on twitter (as we should have) for them calling for solidarity amongst women all while ignoring women of color's specific issues because of the ingrained privilege they have just for being born white. Black men on here even got excited because they thought it was a perfect "I told you so" moment for them to continue scapegoating the fight for equality for women (feminism) as the cause of the downfall of the Black family, only this time with Black female agreeance.
On Tuesday, when Black women next shined the light on the ingrained privilege Black men have just for being male; a privilege that they have exercised in our Black power and civil rights movements that put Black female specific issues on the back burner, 'brothers' couldn't respond quickly enough with some of the dumbest arguments I've ever read. It became about how "its different" and "we have no privilege" and shaming tactics about Black women being divisive by bringing it up (but Tommy Sotomayer and those who co-sign him aren't divisive, and neither are misogynists like Tariq Nasheed nor the crap he spews about Black women). So despite having just celebrated us calling out white women's privilege (something we had been doing for years anyway, btw), Black men did the same as white women had and denied any privilege or wrongdoing to Black women outright.
Its cool though. As I said in the other thread, the Womanist movement will continue. Folks talk about solidarity but they don't really want it. They want Black women to keep doing what they've been doing, shutting up and taking punches for movements that only want to speak to half their issues and doing so in silence. Won't happen, so prepare to stay mad
And fyi, for the emboldened Black men who feel no sympathy, no empathy, and not even any shame for dismissing Black women's issues, the same way every thing that Black women ever bring up is "trivial" and "bs" and simply an issue of bad choices by Black women, keep it mind your oppression will continue to be viewed the same by whites.
Complain about notions that are used against you and then subscribe to them against others, like your own race of women, while claiming you're "for solidarity", brehs.
Do you agree with everything on that list? It would've been better to pick out the most reasonable points instead of posting the whole thing because there are indeed some gems among the rubbish. You keep saying people are being "dismissive", but how can you expect any different when they can't even read a quarter of the list without laughing or cringing? And its not just men either.... a number of women in here feel that way too.
Some Black Feminists/Womanists do a great disservice to their cause by using over the top, emotional rhetoric that overshadow the legitimate issues/burdens that they face. I mean you had a woman in the other thread actually say in all seriousness that "Black men support the erasure of Black women"
...and you yourself use a lot of strong words like "silence", "oppression" or calling men "misogynist" just because they disagree with you.Passion for issues is a good thing, but we won't get anywhere as a community if both sides continue with the overheated rhetoric and refuse to listen/understand the other side.
Yinny
I miss LLC Twitter
I think a healthy discussion can come forth from this. Acknowledging your (anyone's) privilege doesn't mean that we have to be enemies. But first, we all have to accept that we're privileged/oppressed in different spaces. The list is a healthy starting point.
MewTwo
Freeing Pokemon From Their Masters Since 1996
I didn't read all of that but I just wanted to say this: Feminists are annoying as fukk.
FreshFromATL
Self Made
Lol at "black male" and "privilege" being in the same sentence. I stopped reading once I saw that.
So because it was written by a black man that makes it valid? A black man also said "God bless slavery," should we take him seriously as well? There are obviously mentally ill people out there and you can't give credence to their ideas, else you're just as much of an idiot as they are. Case in point, this thread.
A black man also said "God bless slavery," should we take him seriously as well? There are obviously mentally ill people out there and you can't give credence to their ideas, else you're just as much of an idiot as they are. Case in point, this thread.
Elle Driver
Veteran
Black male privilege is cancelled out by the fact that they're black. Even if they do get male privilege, it's not like they can actually do anything to effect us as a people like white people do. 
'Dat black man privilege in action
DaChampIsHere
Survive the drought
What's funny when this shyt happened I saw black women alllllllll up and down my timeline talkin' about they'd never want to have a son because they knew how hard the world would be on him.
'Dat black man privilege in action
I never seen any black person talkin' about being afraid to have a daughter unless it's a nikka afraid his daughter is gonna get fukked (which has nothing to do with race or, this mostly: black women sayin' they don't want to have a daughter cause they don't want another them to deal with lol