Is there a more tragic and thirst inducing Trilogy than Nolan's Batman?

[MartyMcFly]

He didnt quit because of rachel, he quit because the dent act destroyed organized crime and he was getting Rachel was one reason but the majority of it was the dent act.

I guess breh. Initially that's how it seemed and then as the movie went on it seemed like he dropped hints that it was more Rachel than the dent act. And even then he...forget it lol I've already said how I feel about his motivation

 

[Lakers Offseason]

MOS did not flop. It brought back Supes after Pedo Singer nearly destroyed it with Superman Returns

Brought back Superman?

Breh, Superman is an icon.

Someone could make a movie about Superman eating cheerios on the moon and it'll do numbers.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Brought back Superman?

Breh, Superman is an icon.

Someone could make a movie about Superman eating cheerios on the moon and it'll do numbers.

nah i know what he means. he's right. yea the movie made a lil money but it still wasn't a huge hit. it didn't "bring back" superman the same way dark knight did batman.

did you see that licensing chart someone posted a few days ago? in terms of superhero licensing superman ranked 4th behind spiderman, avengers, and batman. that means there are more kids out there right now playing with avengers toys than there are playing with superman toys. more kids watching spiderman cartoons than there are watching superman cartoons. in fact i will be brutally honest i did not see one kid dressed as superman this halloween and I was home handing out candy to trick or treaters for like a solid 4-5 hours. and i saw a lot of kids. but i remember some batmans, a spiderman, and a hulk.

so yea superman will always be an icon but i think people were kinda hoping for MOS to be the thing that boosted him back up in the power rankings, which it didn't. it wasn't the classic everyone wanted it to be.

 

[MartyMcFly]

nah i know what he means. he's right. yea the movie made a lil money but it still wasn't a huge hit. it didn't "bring back" superman the same way dark knight did batman.

did you see that licensing chart someone posted a few days ago? in terms of superhero licensing superman ranked 4th behind spiderman, avengers, and batman. that means there are more kids out there right now playing with avengers toys than there are playing with superman toys. more kids watching spiderman cartoons than there are watching superman cartoons. in fact i will be brutally honest i did not see one kid dressed as superman this halloween and I was home handing out candy to trick or treaters for like a solid 4-5 hours. and i saw a lot of kids. but i remember some batmans, a spiderman, and a hulk.

so yea superman will always be an icon but i think people were kinda hoping for MOS to be the thing that boosted him back up in the power rankings, which it didn't. it wasn't the classic everyone wanted it to be.

Kevin Smith talked about this on his podcast when he reviewed Man of Steel: Superman was in danger of becoming Mickey Mouse. The corporate icon but not really the star of anything or used as much as other Disney characters like Buzz, Woody, Elsa, etc. So this movie, while not widely accepted on the net (end all be all it seems) it was received well in the public and put superman back in the public consciousness in a way superman returns didn't.

 

[FlyGuy]

nah i know what he means. he's right. yea the movie made a lil money but it still wasn't a huge hit. it didn't "bring back" superman the same way dark knight did batman.

did you see that licensing chart someone posted a few days ago? in terms of superhero licensing superman ranked 4th behind spiderman, avengers, and batman. that means there are more kids out there right now playing with avengers toys than there are playing with superman toys. more kids watching spiderman cartoons than there are watching superman cartoons. in fact i will be brutally honest i did not see one kid dressed as superman this halloween and I was home handing out candy to trick or treaters for like a solid 4-5 hours. and i saw a lot of kids. but i remember some batmans, a spiderman, and a hulk.

so yea superman will always be an icon but i think people were kinda hoping for MOS to be the thing that boosted him back up in the power rankings, which it didn't. it wasn't the classic everyone wanted it to be.

they needed a better Superman. Supes should be someone that by just looking at him you're inspired to be a better American.This dude was like 5'8 with greaseball hair. He just didn't have that iconic look.

 

[Lakers Offseason]

nah i know what he means. he's right. yea the movie made a lil money but it still wasn't a huge hit. it didn't "bring back" superman the same way dark knight did batman.

did you see that licensing chart someone posted a few days ago? in terms of superhero licensing superman ranked 4th behind spiderman, avengers, and batman. that means there are more kids out there right now playing with avengers toys than there are playing with superman toys. more kids watching spiderman cartoons than there are watching superman cartoons. in fact i will be brutally honest i did not see one kid dressed as superman this halloween and I was home handing out candy to trick or treaters for like a solid 4-5 hours. and i saw a lot of kids. but i remember some batmans, a spiderman, and a hulk.

so yea superman will always be an icon but i think people were kinda hoping for MOS to be the thing that boosted him back up in the power rankings, which it didn't. it wasn't the classic everyone wanted it to be.

I'm not arguing against any of your post cause I agree with it. My response to that dude was that Superman did not have to be brought back. He's so well known people will go watch a movie about him irrespective of what happened with Superman Returns.

My point about MOS was it made some money, but if you ask non-DC stans who saw the movie, majority of them will probably say it wasn't as good as it could have been. In context, the Batman films were very good to great movies and I expected something in the same vicinity as those films. The movie had the same writer who wrote the 3 Batman films, the casting was good enough (with some major star power playing supporting roles), Snyder has made good movies, and one of the producers was Nolan. Expectations was definitely high and it fell short.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Kevin Smith talked about this on his podcast when he reviewed Man of Steel: Superman was in danger of becoming Mickey Mouse. The corporate icon but not really the star of anything or used as much as other Disney characters like Buzz, Woody, Elsa, etc. So this movie, while not widely accepted on the net (end all be all it seems) it was received well in the public and put superman back in the public consciousness in a way superman returns didn't.

did it really?

where are all the new superman cartoons and superman related media? how often do you hear the film referenced by people who aren't geeks?

man of steel put superman back on people's minds the same way a 30 second big mac ad puts mcdonalds on people's minds. "oh yea mcdonalds... right".

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

they needed a better Superman. Supes should be someone that by just looking at him you're inspired to be a better American.This dude was like 5'8 with greaseball hair. He just didn't have that iconic look.

wow honestly i think i have to disagree because just just purely based on looks i think henry cavill is beyond perfect.

he just wasn't a very warm character like you would expect superman to be.

superman should feel like captain america on steroids.

 

[MartyMcFly]

did it really?

where are all the new superman cartoons and superman related media? how often do you hear the film referenced by people who aren't geeks?

man of steel put superman back on people's minds the same way a 30 second big mac ad puts mcdonalds on people's minds. "oh yea mcdonalds... right".

Those are corporate decisions made by DC though and clearly they're aiming their animation on TV to a different audience entirely breh. A Batman cartoon got cancelled so what does that say about the state of cartoons at this moment? Teen Titans Go! is the one DC cartoon on air but that doesn't say anything about Batman's popularity or anyone else, just the state of tv and what kids want

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Those are corporate decisions made by DC though and clearly they're aiming their animation on TV to a different audience entirely breh. A Batman cartoon got cancelled so what does that say about the state of cartoons at this moment? Teen Titans Go! is the one DC cartoon on air but that doesn't say anything about Batman's popularity or anyone else, just the state of tv and what kids want

batman is all over the place though. batman is huge business right now. they're about to make a fukkin LEGO BATMAN movie.

the reason there isn't much superman stuff right now in comparison is because plain and simple there isn't as big of a demand for the character.

and why do you think that is? because it's been more than 30 years since the character hit it big on the big screen.

 

[FlyGuy]

wow honestly i think i have to disagree because just just purely based on looks i think henry cavill is beyond perfect.

he just wasn't a very warm character like you would expect superman to be.

superman should feel like captain america on steroids.

I liked him as Clark but it could be the lack of 'boom' in his Superman and also the fact that the suit was trash. The colors were just off

 

[MartyMcFly]

batman is all over the place though. batman is huge business right now. they're about to make a fukkin LEGO BATMAN movie.

the reason there isn't much superman stuff right now in comparison is because plain and simple there isn't as big of a demand for the character.

and why do you think that is? because it's been more than 30 years since the character hit it big on the big screen.

I will agree with that to a point but Man of Steel is a hit, regardless of how we want to qualify it or not, it's a hit movie. Batman is their biggest character so of course they're going to use him more, that's just logical but that doesn't mean Superman isn't a big character. Iron Man still isn't as big as Spider-man but it doesn't mean he isn't big. Superman is in damn near every DC Animated movie, had a role in Lego movie which was fun, and I still see that logo everywhere, whether its on people's shirts or rims, or just stickers in their car. Smallville had a 10 year run, etc. The difference is, and this is the problem with superman as a character, is that it's hard to translate that character who stands for truth, justice, nobility, etc to a generation of people who are jaded and a tad cynical.

Clark by his nature, is always going to do the right thing and doesn't have many flaws (he has them though) and it's hard for people to relate. Batman is everywhere because people can relate to a guy who's just a guy and is trying to do the right thing. It's harder to relate to a guy who's biggest issue is Lois Lane is in love with one of his persona's instead of the other. Batman has problems, spiderman has problems, and they're both extremely relatable to the common man. Superman is a god and it's tough to relate to gods and no matter how "good" a movie is or isn't that's tough to relate to in 2014.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

I liked him as Clark but it could be the lack of 'boom' in his Superman and also the fact that the suit was trash. The colors were just off

look that movie had a weak foundation to begin with. no matter how much henry brought to the role he was never gonna rise above it to the point where he won you over as the character.

but i will say there were brief spurts, and i put emphasis on BRIEF, where he managed to get it across.

so if the creative team somehow manages to pull itself together, i believe i may have some faith in him going forward.

 

[FlyGuy]

The difference is, and this is the problem with superman as a character, is that it's hard to translate that character who stands for truth, justice, nobility, etc to a generation of people who are jaded and a tad cynical.

I felt like Snyder tried to cater to us with his film but it didn't go too well. The colors of the whole film were really dark and bland which imo took away from the character of Superman.

 

[MartyMcFly]

I felt like Snyder tried to cater to us with his film but it didn't go too well. The colors of the whole film were really dark and bland which imo took away from the character of Superman.

That's fair but it worked for me to a degree. The issues I had with the film weren't with the character of superman just the overall tone of seriousness the movie had and there were only fleeting moments of joy but overall, I felt the character was well served especially if he's not fully formed