Devilinurear
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Also answer the question. Lol thought you were slick.Animals are living beings. No matter how advanced the AI is robots aren't.
Is there a more pretentious “good show” than Westworld on tv right now?
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AnonymityX1000
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And animals enjoy less consideration for their lives than humans right?
If you are missing limbs aren't you automatically 'less human'? lol no of course not.
AnonymityX1000
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Oh no I'm against torture.
Devilinurear
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Then I assume you are strict vegetarian or hunter and believe animals deserve the same rights as us?
AnonymityX1000
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No I'm only human, weak and not meeting the spirit of my ideals. I wonder if that happens to robots?
Artificial Intelligence isnt important? What year are you living in, my dude?It's putting importance on something that's not. That is the definition of pretentious. And if that means calling most of sci-fi pretentious I got no problem with that.
Be unaware you're living out an episode of Black Mirror, brehs
AnonymityX1000
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I'm definitely not. And neither are you. AI being a thing to worry about is decades if not centuries away. There is no danger of radical self-awareness yet. Engineers are excited about robots being able to jump over a log or learn how many legs it has without you telling it.Artificial Intelligence isnt important? What year are you living in, my dude?
Be unaware you're living out an episode of Black Mirror, brehs
I can see an argument for pretentious being made because of the out of sequence structure of the show. It can be argued that they don't have a compelling story to tell sequentially, so they have to tell it out of order to make it seem more complex and mind blowing than what it really is. That in addition to having the show rely so heavily on mysteries and fan theories to generate the buzz and interest, with many of them boiling down to the same trick of revealing that a character is not what we think they are, or not dead when we presumed they were dead.
Carefully withholding information (or if I'm being uncharitable, convoluted out of sequence storytelling devices), high production values, excellent acting, and contemplative monologues can distract people for awhile in thinking that the show has something reaaaaaaally deep to say, when actually, what they have to say is more style than substance. Teasing the audience with more questions than answers can work for awhile, but it's only so long fake deep shows can pretend.
I'm actually not ready to commit to that argument because I like a lot of what the show has done. I like the questions they ask and generally enjoy the dialogue (depending on the character). I'm still waiting for more pieces to come together before I decide if the storytelling devices are worth it but I can see how some could have already decided after 1 and a half seasons that the beats and repetition they employ to tell this otherwise simple story make the show pretentious.
Especially when the intelligent aspects of the show are marred by some really stupid writing decisions and plot holes. The Delos security team and the scientists working at the parks seem like incompetent imbeciles most of the time, so half of the time I'm asking if I missed something or if this smart show is just so smart then I should give it the benefit of the doubt in ignoring when something seems stupid. I can see how others skip that and immediately say the show is dumb and not as smart as it presents itself to be.
Carefully withholding information (or if I'm being uncharitable, convoluted out of sequence storytelling devices), high production values, excellent acting, and contemplative monologues can distract people for awhile in thinking that the show has something reaaaaaaally deep to say, when actually, what they have to say is more style than substance. Teasing the audience with more questions than answers can work for awhile, but it's only so long fake deep shows can pretend.
I'm actually not ready to commit to that argument because I like a lot of what the show has done. I like the questions they ask and generally enjoy the dialogue (depending on the character). I'm still waiting for more pieces to come together before I decide if the storytelling devices are worth it but I can see how some could have already decided after 1 and a half seasons that the beats and repetition they employ to tell this otherwise simple story make the show pretentious.
Especially when the intelligent aspects of the show are marred by some really stupid writing decisions and plot holes. The Delos security team and the scientists working at the parks seem like incompetent imbeciles most of the time, so half of the time I'm asking if I missed something or if this smart show is just so smart then I should give it the benefit of the doubt in ignoring when something seems stupid. I can see how others skip that and immediately say the show is dumb and not as smart as it presents itself to be.
How long away we are from AI becoming self aware has nothing to do with its importance. Millions of people use AI every day right now. You've most likely used it multiple times since you woke up today. Science fiction has always been about taking very real scientific principles and extrapolating them into possible future uses. To say AI isn't important is ridiculous, breh. Westworld isnt your cup of tea, that's perfectly fine, but no one has really given me a legit example of it being pretentious
AnonymityX1000
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Really? So a deadline doesn't make a required action at a the specified time more important as the deadline approaches? I think so. Time and importance are definitely correlated.How long away we are from AI becoming self aware has nothing to do with its importance. Millions of people use AI every day right now. You've most likely used it multiple times since you woke up today. Science fiction has always been about taking very real scientific principles and extrapolating them into possible future uses. To say AI isn't important is ridiculous, breh. Westworld isnt your cup of tea, that's perfectly fine, but no one has really given me a legit example of it being pretentious
And AI in the sense of being worried about its future uses is definitely not important right now. Like you said it is a fiction writers extrapolate to based on what is currently available.
I think it is pretentious and it is definitely your perogative to think the opposite.
Devilinurear
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Not a robot but an artificial intelligence it could happenNo I'm only human, weak and not meeting the spirit of my ideals. I wonder if that happens to robots?
AnonymityX1000
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Having ideals and falling short of them? lol Again, I gotta disagree.
Killigraphy
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Just a lot of dumb people either not wanting to be intellectual stimulated, or entering a "room" with too high of a ceiling for them to understand. If you like Bioshock, Matrix and Ghost in the Shell, this is the series for you. Though I honestly don't know what some people expect. Explosions and kung fu action? Mind you shyt like Big Bang Theory and Power, are considered "good", with ridiculous plotlines and forced drama. Like what you like, but don't try to say a show written this well is "bad", pretentious? Yes, but only in the context that question human nature might be deemed as pretentious.
Killigraphy
Banned
Deus Ex Machina (video game) gets into this quite well in the last installment. "Augs" (augmented people with robotic limbs) are fighting for their rights, and are even treated as sub human by the general populous. Great game, epic level writing.
Devilinurear
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What makes you disagree? you think ideals are something independent of thought?