Is Steph winning his fourth Finals putting Lebron Era to the back burner for the 00s

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Thavoiceofthevoiceless said:
You sure about that?
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I think so. Poole will be better and I expect him to carry the regular season load to take some strain off Klay/Steph. His chemistry w/ Draymond will progress.
Wiseman will be back. Kuminga and Mody Mooses will have bigger roles. They are a year ahead of schedule to me.
 
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10bandz said:
Exactly. He was team hopping instead of going thru the grind. His first season with the lakers is the closest thing he has to that but he had the AD trade lined up already.
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I think winning 4 chips with 3 teams in the matter of one decade is highly impressive and something harder for people to replicate.
 
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When discussing Curry's era how much you finna count losing 3-1 in the finals? How much y'all gonna weigh down his legacy when he had to beg another top 10 (15?) all times to join him in the hamptons after said finals? How much you gonna discount him for missing the offs in his prime and a subpar start to his career that allowed him/warriors to draft lottery talent while he was playing?

If we're arguing peaks, no one's had the offensive peak curry has had. But I hope y'all factor in the full story when comparing him to other all times greats...
 
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O Fenômeno said:
Never dominated the league?

Did he not win the first Unanimous MVP?
Did he not beat Lebron in the Finals?

Am I missing something?
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“he” didn’t.
The warriors did. Y’all making a team sport seem like it’s 1 vs 1 to push agendas. Curry has 0 finals MVPs.
 
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murksiderock said:
Bron won more MVPs than anyone in his career, twice as many, but didn't dominate The League? More Finals appearances than anyone isn't domination? More Finals wins than anyone isn't domination?
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No matter how you spin it losing more Finals than you win is not dominating the league. Constantly going to the Finals is very impressive but it can't be considered dominating the LEAGUE if you're losing more than you're winning.

Also I said he dominated a conference, that's where those Finals appearances come into play.
 
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Omar Little said:
Yes of course. Curry is 3-1 against Bron in the finals.
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Meaningless when at the end of every series, nobody felt like Curry was a better player than LeBron. The ONLY point where people tried to push Curry ahead, and respectable people even openly said it, during the 15/16 regular season when the Warriors were breaking the record. And Bron put all of that to rest during the Finals that year. The two Finals after, some people would argue KD was better than LeBron, but nobody ever thought Steph was better.
 
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Left.A1 said:
This is going to be the new narrative I see... Interesting
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It's not a narrative

It's facts. Draymond Green has had no issue admitting his offense is a product of Curry.

Obviously Green is an excellent defender, one of the best ever of course.
murksiderock said:
You nikkas really don't know history, huh? Wilt is still argued as the GOAT by some and certainly by many when he retired, so ain't no "can't be the GOAT with a losing Finals record"...

Yall wanna change history and hold Bron to a standard others weren't and aren't held to, just stop lol. Are you even aware of some of the playoff duds Wilt put up?



Nah but it's certainly a fact he knocking on Top 10 as it is...



Considering the fact Bron had an entire HOF career before Curry won his first title or MVP, we're really saying 2014-15 to present is a dual era between them...

I do agree 4 titles is magnificent and not only will dead the Durant debate but will hurt some other GOATs in front of him currently...

Kareem, Wilt, Shaq, O, Durant, Moses, Garnett all switched teams in their primes, I think this board places a weight on Bron "team-hopping" that you really don't see elsewhere, especially if you consider how some of these other guys left their teams. This is prisoner of the moment analysis, just another example of giving Bron a standard of expectation guys before him weren't held to...

The big thing to me is if Steph wins, that would be his second title as a #1, the same as KD, Dream, Kobe, and Wilt. Those are the dudes it'll get really scary for with a Steph title---->even without the title, his legacy is approaching a point it could surpass them all soon...


Kobe's '10 Finals was subpar as well, and his first Finals in '00 was average. His greatest Finals performance front-to-back was '09, and its neither an All-Time Finals performance nor an All-Time Kobe showing, it's just his strongest Finals outing. Nobody ever says "damn remember that Finals Kobe went nuts in", his entire legacy is almost solely built off regular season performance...

It's a distinction other players in his historical weight class don't have, they were more established in the playoffs. Obviously, we know Kobe had some great playoff moments but none that were truly iconic, he's lagging literally everybody who gets heralded as a Top 10 GOAT in that regard and I think that hurts him...



LeBron was the best player by a country mile in the '14 and '15 Finals and performed adequately in the '17 and '18 Finals. He clearly has more legendary Finals performances than anyone, just stop...



Steph moving up the ladder will inevitably knock someone(s) down but you're talking 3 of the Top 4 players, he'd have to starting a huge run the next couple years to bring that to fruition. This one run isn't affecting those guys at all...
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People will chip at Bird, Wilt, Kobe, and even Shaq, for sure.

And personally, it's hard to really even call Durant a #1 for those rings.

Shaq was a real #1 becuase he was getting the most defensive attention, and still put up the numbers. Same with other number 1 options.

As where KD was getting favorable looks.
knickscrusaderm said:
When discussing Curry's era how much you finna count losing 3-1 in the finals? How much y'all gonna weigh down his legacy when he had to beg another top 10 (15?) all times to join him in the hamptons after said finals? How much you gonna discount him for missing the offs in his prime and a subpar start to his career that allowed him/warriors to draft lottery talent while he was playing?

If we're arguing peaks, no one's had the offensive peak curry has had. But I hope y'all factor in the full story when comparing him to other all times greats...
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"Beg Durant to join" well, Magic entered a Lakers team that had Kareem there for him (who yall call a top 3 player) and his team drafted Janes Worthy. But we don't knock Magic for that.

"Missing the offs in his prime". Well Kobe missed the playoffs in his prime. So did Kareem, several times in fact.

"Subpar start" - not only did he have ankle injuries, so it's not as if he stunk, but he was also drafted into one of the worst organizations in pro sports. The team made the playoffs once in the prior 15 seasons, and only won 1 playoff series in the previous 20. And his rookie year he made all-rookie team, 2nd year they didn't progress, but they had another coach and he was splitting time with Monta Ellis who was another ball dominant guard who didn't pass much.

The reality is that older players have the benefit of playing... decades in the past. So they don't get scrutinized much.
 
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