Is Steph winning his fourth Finals putting Lebron Era to the back burner for the 00s

[Trojan 24]

It's spooky for Bron stans rn cause this GSW team will be even better next year and #5 will be on the way for Steph if their health holds out through the rest of this playoffs and then next season.

Claim you're the GOAT when someone redefined modern basketball in your "Era" bruhs

 

[Leasy]

throwing these names out there

Jordan
Kareem
Magic
Duncan
Hakeem
Bird
LeBron
Shaq
Wilt
Kobe

Who do you put curry in over

I am sorry and I know a lot of old heads will be mad but I will take Curry over Bird

 

[Left.A1]

4 chips is huge. And 2 without a superteam, 2 without Durant is huge.

Considering how often LeBron switched teams (I don't blame him for leaving Cleveland the first time, but the last two moves + getting AD and Westbrook weren't a good look), it'll look better for Curry being able to win with a team like this.

Klay looks washed (although I'd reckon we've overrated him in general), Draymond's offensive game is getting exposed, and Wiggins is Wiggins. Poole is awesome, but this team isn't stacked.

Add the showmanship, and the fact that the Warriors are gonna be back in the finals again, I think we underestimate how many people in real life will argue this was Curry's era, low key.

This is going to be the new narrative I see... Interesting

 

[mindgawn]

It's like short gang, don't get no respect. If you ain't bigger, stronger, and excel at taking advantage of smaller player you dont get no respect.

Luka switches to 6 ft Paul he unstoppable!

Lebron switch on DRose in the last 2min when refs swallow whistle - he defensive player of the year.

Luka and lebron average 8 of the softest rebounds in the game. The long bounce rebounds off 3s the triple double machines.

GS steph and Spurs tparker played the best ball of the 00

 

[South Paw]

bron's legacy is safe
bron beat the warriors in 2016 and steph had to team up with KD to beat him

all time though, steph will knock kobe out of most people's top 10s with another title

Steph beat Bron without KD though right?

 

[cobra]

Steph beat Bron without KD though right?

when matthew dellavaoda was the Cavs 2nd best player

thats why iggy won finals mvp

 

[DJ Paul's Arm]

Plus curry didn’t ring chase in his prime. Blame Bron for creating the Voltron, super friends era.

 

[murksiderock]

You can't be the goat with a losing Finals record tho.

The standards dropped for these NBA fans you know that.

You nikkas really don't know history, huh? Wilt is still argued as the GOAT by some and certainly by many when he retired, so ain't no "can't be the GOAT with a losing Finals record"...

Yall wanna change history and hold Bron to a standard others weren't and aren't held to, just stop lol. Are you even aware of some of the playoff duds Wilt put up?

shyt just being the best shooter alone puts him at top 10.

Nah but it's certainly a fact he knocking on Top 10 as it is...

4 chips is huge. And 2 without a superteam, 2 without Durant is huge.

Considering how often LeBron switched teams (I don't blame him for leaving Cleveland the first time, but the last two moves + getting AD and Westbrook weren't a good look), it'll look better for Curry being able to win with a team like this.

Klay looks washed (although I'd reckon we've overrated him in general), Draymond's offensive game is getting exposed, and Wiggins is Wiggins. Poole is awesome, but this team isn't stacked.

Add the showmanship, and the fact that the Warriors are gonna be back in the finals again, I think we underestimate how many people in real life will argue this was Curry's era, low key.

Considering the fact Bron had an entire HOF career before Curry won his first title or MVP, we're really saying 2014-15 to present is a dual era between them...

I do agree 4 titles is magnificent and not only will dead the Durant debate but will hurt some other GOATs in front of him currently...

Kareem, Wilt, Shaq, O, Durant, Moses, Garnett all switched teams in their primes, I think this board places a weight on Bron "team-hopping" that you really don't see elsewhere, especially if you consider how some of these other guys left their teams. This is prisoner of the moment analysis, just another example of giving Bron a standard of expectation guys before him weren't held to...

The big thing to me is if Steph wins, that would be his second title as a #1, the same as KD, Dream, Kobe, and Wilt. Those are the dudes it'll get really scary for with a Steph title---->even without the title, his legacy is approaching a point it could surpass them all soon...

I think we overrate how many all time players performed in the finals.

Bird and Kobe had some underwhelming finals performances. Kobe's 04 Finals is arguably the worst finals performance any superstar has had, and many still try to force him as a top 5 player.

Magic had some bad moments, and injury luck in 88. Kareem's last 2 rings he was a role player, etc.

Curry just needs a classic performance, because he's actually been most pretty good in the finals, with 2016 being his only blemish. He was alright against Toronto.

Kobe's '10 Finals was subpar as well, and his first Finals in '00 was average. His greatest Finals performance front-to-back was '09, and its neither an All-Time Finals performance nor an All-Time Kobe showing, it's just his strongest Finals outing. Nobody ever says "damn remember that Finals Kobe went nuts in", his entire legacy is almost solely built off regular season performance...

It's a distinction other players in his historical weight class don't have, they were more established in the playoffs. Obviously, we know Kobe had some great playoff moments but none that were truly iconic, he's lagging literally everybody who gets heralded as a Top 10 GOAT in that regard and I think that hurts him...

Bro can't debate a first round or second round etc.. lost compared to the finals. Lebron didn't get it done when it counted the most when MJ/Kobe/Curry/Duncan/Shaq on down did it. He lost more than them dudes.

LeBron was the best player by a country mile in the '14 and '15 Finals and performed adequately in the '17 and '18 Finals. He clearly has more legendary Finals performances than anyone, just stop...

This right here is what I've been thinking about. Curry getting another chip will make people (online, at least) change how they order players.

You might see lebron, maybe even magic and Kareem move down given that they had each other (we penalize KD and Curry for playing together)

Steph moving up the ladder will inevitably knock someone(s) down but you're talking 3 of the Top 4 players, he'd have to starting a huge run the next couple years to bring that to fruition. This one run isn't affecting those guys at all...

 

[South Paw]

when matthew dellavaoda was the Cavs 2nd best player

thats why iggy won finals mvp

Still counts

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

Curry doesn't have the resume to be compared to Bron in terms of career all-time. Reached his prime too late, too many injuries.

Plus his peak was clearly not at Top 5 OAT level as seen by his disappearing acts in the Finals at various points.

Bron on the other hand is universally accepted as the second best player ever. Curry won't ever be considered that.

"HOOOOORAY HE SAID TORONTO!!!!!YAAAY"

 

[Leasy]

That's 11 so Dream is 11 for me.

He would minimum take Dream's spot.

This is what I love about the NBA compared to other sports. The top spot is really personal but taking Hakeem probably the greatest big when it comes to post moves off is crazy breh.

 

[Leasy]

You nikkas really don't know history, huh? Wilt is still argued as the GOAT by some and certainly by many when he retired, so ain't no "can't be the GOAT with a losing Finals record"...

Yall wanna change history and hold Bron to a standard others weren't and aren't held to, just stop lol. Are you even aware of some of the playoff duds Wilt put up?



Nah but it's certainly a fact he knocking on Top 10 as it is...



Considering the fact Bron had an entire HOF career before Curry won his first title or MVP, we're really saying 2014-15 to present is a dual era between them...

I do agree 4 titles is magnificent and not only will dead the Durant debate but will hurt some other GOATs in front of him currently...

Kareem, Wilt, Shaq, O, Durant, Moses, Garnett all switched teams in their primes, I think this board places a weight on Bron "team-hopping" that you really don't see elsewhere, especially if you consider how some of these other guys left their teams. This is prisoner of the moment analysis, just another example of giving Bron a standard of expectation guys before him weren't held to...

The big thing to me is if Steph wins, that would be his second title as a #1, the same as KD, Dream, Kobe, and Wilt. Those are the dudes it'll get really scary for with a Steph title---->even without the title, his legacy is approaching a point it could surpass them all soon...


Kobe's '10 Finals was subpar as well, and his first Finals in '00 was average. His greatest Finals performance front-to-back was '09, and its neither an All-Time Finals performance nor an All-Time Kobe showing, it's just his strongest Finals outing. Nobody ever says "damn remember that Finals Kobe went nuts in", his entire legacy is almost solely built off regular season performance...

It's a distinction other players in his historical weight class don't have, they were more established in the playoffs. Obviously, we know Kobe had some great playoff moments but none that were truly iconic, he's lagging literally everybody who gets heralded as a Top 10 GOAT in that regard and I think that hurts him...



LeBron was the best player by a country mile in the '14 and '15 Finals and performed adequately in the '17 and '18 Finals. He clearly has more legendary Finals performances than anyone, just stop...



Steph moving up the ladder will inevitably knock someone(s) down but you're talking 3 of the Top 4 players, he'd have to starting a huge run the next couple years to bring that to fruition. This one run isn't affecting those guys at all...

Wilt is not appreciated for some reason, and nobody has his listed as GOAT 1 or 2. We are holding Lebron to the standard as if he is top 3 or 5. Lebron still didn't get the job done breh it doesn't matter if he was best in 16 17 or whatever. He lost to an old Jason Kidd and Jason Terry. Lost to the Spurs

 

[murksiderock]

I been saying this. That's the 1 sports conspiracy I will ALWAYS believe because it didn't make sense.

So that finals was the one where lebron got nervous and not 07?

So that finals Dallas somehow schemed to take lebron out of heat gameplan?

So that series wade out plays Bron and all of a sudden Bosh is the 2nd option now?

If wade won that 1st FMVP in Miami, which is HIS city, that ruins Lebron's legacy "PLAN"

my bad for the thread derail

Wade's '11 Finals performance is dramatically overrated...

The difference is LeBron lost more finals than he won during that period, how that could ever be considered a dynasty is beyond me. Not to mention a dynasty is a TEAM that dominates the entire league. LeBron dominated a conference sure, but not the entire league by any means.

Bron won more MVPs than anyone in his career, twice as many, but didn't dominate The League? More Finals appearances than anyone isn't domination? More Finals wins than anyone isn't domination?

I am sorry and I know a lot of old heads will be mad but I will take Curry over Bird

Nah not yet...

 

[Left.A1]

I think ultimately Steph with another ring definitely cements himself in that top 6-10 of all time.. It'll just be preference where exactly you slot him... He's definitely had an oversized impact on the game and in driving eyes to screens during his run... However when it comes to the LeBron comp this is where i think he’ll run into issues: Head to Head performance


While it's difficult to do a direct 1:1 on players that don't play the same position...he and born have a LOT of tape against each others teams in high leverage situations that people will be able to go back and reference.. They played against each other in 4 finals and I would love to know from any of the Curry supporters here.. Which finals matchup will any from that crowd feel comfortable claiming that Curry outplayed/outperformed LeBron in?


2015? 2016? 2017? 2018? Which one...


That in itself would really help dead the convo and genuinely boost Currys perception... And this is why the FMVP matter because when he had the opportunity to showcase who the best player in the world was on the same court in the same setting...did he? Are people going to be able to look at that tape and say “yes Curry was the superior basketball player in their H2H’s”


I think that will be the convo on whatever the nba hardwood classic shows 20 years from now will look like and not getting that accolade will impact perception whether people like it or not

 

[VegasCAC]

Lol what?

Every media list and almost all former players who are asked have him there.