Is Steph winning his fourth Finals putting Lebron Era to the back burner for the 00s

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35 pages of Bron defense force :huhldup:


:pachaha:Curry ain't even won yet

It always amazes me when dudes come to a message board and complain about there being messages.

It's like you expected tik toks or something lol


Would you like this to be 35 pages of fukkery and memes?:jbhmm:
 

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Y’all know damned well you’re being disingenuous with posts like these.

LeBron had to go up against the Warriors without Love and Kyrie.

Then, Kevin Durant broke the league by joining the best team in the NBA. There are real conversations about whether a Prime Jordan and the Bulls could face that team— how are you counting this against LeBron when real pundits think that Warriors team would have smacked the 72 win Bulls???

The Warriors couldn’t beat a healthy Cavs squad sans Durant. LeBron took them to 6 games by himself in 2015, beat them in 2016, and faced the strongest team in the history of the league.

This is a horseshyt argument and you know it. :stopitslime:

That’s basketball. You want them to give the rings to LeBron?

OKC and San Antonio had to play the Heat who had a bunch of superstar players. The Heat had to play LeBron, AD and a bunch of former all stars. The Pacers, Raptors and Bulls probably HATED the Heat and the Cavaliers for keeping them from contending for titles all those years because they couldn’t match the superstar talent those LeBron led teams had. It was fine then though huh?
 

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He said you finished 2nd in WOAT voting.

I wasn't there, didn't see that thread (if there was one) so I have no idea what he's referring to.

@Th3Birdman, I went back to the thread and counted the actual nominations:

Nomination round:
* Gil-Scott Heroin - 20+ nominations (lost count after a while)
* Darealtwo1 - 8 nominations
Johnedwarduado - 7 nominations
Sccit - 5 nominations
Swagnificient - 4 nominations
* Rhakim - 4 nominations

* = Chicago's picks for the final vote, using a special tally whose actual results only @CHICAGO knows because he never showed them to anyone else. @CHICAGO still has never explained why he only chose 3 people for the ballot (ones he has personal hatred of and badly wanted to see get a WOAT vote) while leaving off other obvious candidates with similar nomination levels. For some reason @CHICAGO left Johnedwarduado off even though he got almost as many nominations as Darealtwo1. Left Sccit and Swagnificent off even though they got just as many or more nominations than I did. THAT was the tally that @CHICAGO used to justify putting me as just one of 3 guys on the final ballot, and justified @Sccit lying on me and claiming I finished 2nd in WOAT voting. Four fukking dumbasses nominating me for WOAT and just 5% of the final vote going to me.
 

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OKC and San Antonio had to play the Heat who had a bunch of superstar players.

As opposed to Durant-Westbrook-Harden or Duncan-Kawhi-Parker-Ginobli?

By 2012, the Heat were one superstar and two strong all-stars on a downward trajectory. Bosh barely played in the 2012 WCSF/WCF and was coming off injury and didn't even start Game 1 of the Finals against OKC. Wade was getting his knee drained in the middle of the postseason, missed playoff games and only averaged 17ppg combined in the 2013 and 2014 playoffs. They were not a "bunch of superstars" anymore, if you give them that status then you have to give Duncan, Kawhi, TP, Durant, Westbrook, and Harden that status too.

By any actual basketball fans evaluation, the 2012 Thunder and 2013/2014 Spurs were at least evenly matched with the Heat. The only reason the Heat won 2 out of 3 of those series is because LeBron was the best player on the floor.



he Heat had to play LeBron, AD and a bunch of former all stars.
Lol at "bunch of former all-stars". Literally the only other former all-stars on that team were jouneyman Rondo who hadn't made an all-star game since 2013 and washed-ass Dwight playing 11 minutes a game. I'm sure Rondo and Dwight made the Heat feel completely outmatched. :laff:

Lowkey the Heat had just as many current all-stars (Jimmy, Bam) and just as many former all-stars (Iggy, Dragic) as the Lakers did.






The Pacers, Raptors and Bulls probably HATED the Heat and the Cavaliers for keeping them from contending for titles all those years because they couldn’t match the superstar talent those LeBron led teams had. It was fine then though huh?

Yup, it was all that "superstar talent" that had Bron beating the 2012 Pacers or the 2015 Bulls or the 2018 Raptors, and not LeBron's incredible performances. :skip:

Bron bodied those teams no matter who his teammates were breh, come on now.
 

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That’s basketball. You want them to give the rings to LeBron?

Absolutely not.

But what we're not going to do is use the Warriors' Finals record against LeBron as an argument in favor of Curry. What happened, happened, but at the same time, it is disingenuous to ignore context to push a narrative, that narrative being Curry is 3-1 vs LeBron, therefore x,y,z.

You know what that context is, stop being obtuse: LeBron faced the Warriors by himself first series, won the second series when he had his guys, lost twice to the strongest team in the history of the league. How are you holding those against LeBron in any way? LeBron had to go God Mode vs the CELTICS to keep them alive in 2012-- even those 45 points wouldn't have helped against that Warriors team

If we're keeping it all the way funky, Curry and the Warriors really faced LeBron's squad on equal terms ONCE, and they LOST. The ONLY reason you nikkas is in here cappin is because it makes LeBron "look bad". Durant's Warriors vs the Cavs was like pitting an NBA team vs the best jr. high squad. LeBron is goated, but he ain't that goated.

OKC and San Antonio had to play the Heat who had a bunch of superstar players

Fukking STOP.

1. Bosh WAS NOT A SUPERSTAR. This nikka averaged 11.9 points in the 2013 series vs the Spurs and that series went 7 games. The very next series, he averaged 15 PPG, and they LOST. Those are not superstar numbers, miss me with this bullshyt.

For reference-- you nikkas claim Draymond Green is not a superstar, except he averaged 15.4 PPG in the playoffs in 2016-- that's more than Bosh did in the Finals. If Dray is not a superstar, Bosh is not one either. Cooked.

2. As "crazy" as this sounds, Wade was not a superstar player either. I'll give you 2011 and 2012, but in 2013 and 2014, Wade was broken down and a shell of himself. Wade averaged 19 PPG in the Finals in 2013, 16 PPG for the entire playoffs. THOSE ARE NOT SUPERSTAR NUMBERS. The very next year, Wade averaged 15 PPG in the 2014 Finals, 18 PPG in the playoffs overall. Again, these are not superstar numbers.

3. The Thunder were fukking favored to win the series vs the Heat. That was a team that had Durant, Westbrook, Harden and Ibaka, and they SWEPT the defending champion Mavs, beat the dog shyt out of Kobe's Lakers in 5, and beat the Spurs in 6. This tired narrative that those Thunder were "babies" doesn't hold up to scrutiny, when they were trashing the previous, current and next NBA champions, IN ORDER.

4. San Antonio were a far better constructed and coached team and they wiped the floor with the Heat in 2014.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

The Pacers, Raptors and Bulls probably HATED the Heat and the Cavaliers for keeping them from contending for titles all those years because they couldn’t match the superstar talent those LeBron led teams had. It was fine then though huh?

Again, you're being disingenuous. Miami and Cleveland were top heavy, and as I just proved, even that top was flimsy. The only constant on those teams was LeBron James-- he is the only consistent player on any of those teams, whether that was being a 30 PPG scorer in the playoffs or just remaining healthy. Every single other teammate has either underperformed or been unavailable.

The Warriors before Durant were excellently constructed as well as excellently coached. They had no deficiency, as all their guys were available, and they had a reliable bench as well as three great players-- Steph is Steph, Klay is just as good as Steph but a better defender, and Dray is the ultimate glue guy. Then you add the second best player in the NBA to this team; how the FUKK do you see this as the same situation with the Heat and the Cavs?

Oh, because you're a fukking liar. That, or you haven't a Blue's Clue what the fukk you're talking about, and should probably sit this one out.

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They've gone off the rails now that there's a few more of them. Talking about the Coli being an echo chamber of hate, ignoring that this thread has become an echo chamber of shameless slurping :dead:

This thread or the entire Coli-- which is bigger? 🤡

I can see that you're an awful poster. Slurping? Fam, you nor your butt buddies have debunked anything I've said, instead opting to whine that I even exist at all. I see that my mere existence has made you boys uncomfortable. The reason you're mad is because you have nothing to add, besides complaining that there are more opponents for you to face.
Me? I relish the opportunity to debunk you nikkas, so the more the merrier. Imagine a real nikka complaining that there are more opps :umad:
 

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This thread or the entire Coli-- which is bigger? 🤡

I can see that you're an awful poster. Slurping? Fam, you nor your butt buddies have debunked anything I've said, instead opting to whine that I even exist at all. I see that my mere existence has made you boys uncomfortable. The reason you're mad is because you have nothing to add, besides complaining that there are more opponents for you to face.
Me? I relish the opportunity to debunk you nikkas, so the more the merrier. Imagine a real nikka complaining that there are more opps :umad:

My guy, we just getting warmed up for the show down once Steph officially grabs that 4th. I got my spirit bomb working in the back :mjlit:
 

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The most damning evidence that LeBron's Heat/Cavs were nowhere near the same situation as Durant's Warriors is this:

LeBron's most talked about game is the 45 point 15 rebound game vs the Celtics to force game 7 in 2012. LeBron could have AVERAGED 45 points vs Durant's Warriors in 2017 and STILL potentially lose.

Want proof? Here:

Game 1: Cavs 91 Warriors 113, a 22 point blowout. LeBron scored 28 in that game-- 45 points would mean the Cavs still lose by 5.

Game 2: Cavs 113 Warriors 132, a 19 point blowout. LeBron scored 29 in that game-- 45 points would mean the Cavs still lose by 3.

Game 3: Cavs 113 Warriors 118, a 5 point loss. LeBron scored 39-- 45 points would mean the Cavs win by 1 point. Curry blew a point blank layup in this game.

Game 4: Cavs won.

Game 5: Cavs 120 Warriors 129, a 9 point loss. LeBron scored 41-- 45 points would mean the Cavs still lose by 5


I think it's clear to see that nobody was beating this Warriors team in a seven game series. Only reason they lost vs the Raps was because of injuries to Klay and Durant. Anybody claming the Warriors wasn't easy mode isn't a basketball fan. They only wanted LeBron to lose. I'd respect this position if these dudes were man enough to admit that, but they're too chickenshyt to say what they really feel.

Reminds me of how the KKK hate being called racists. It's like, bruh, that's what you are, why are you so scared to be labeled what you clearly are? :russ:
 
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