Is Steph winning his fourth Finals putting Lebron Era to the back burner for the 00s

[Ozymandeas]

I heavily doubt anyone here is suggesting Curry didn't have an impact. The point that was being made to you was that Curry was not THE catalyst.



This is revisionist history. Bosh was asked to come to the Cavaliers, and smartly, that nikka said fukk allodat, respectfully lol. All LeBron did was utilize free agency the way it was intended to be used. You just gave me weak excuses for why those players did exactly what LeBron did. I do not care what the circumstances were-- they left their teams for greener pastures. That's literally 1:1, sorry, you will not win this argument with me.



shyt like this is why I continued to lurk as long as I did. Fukking yikes.

2040 is 18 years from now. Put in perspective, Kobe Bryant is still talked about today, and he was drafted 26 years ago. If you think kids won't care about a player many of the young folk are calling the GOAT, you are too stupid to engage, and I should probably put you on ignore right now.

That's the point dumbass. Kobe gets disrespected everyday by LeBron Stans. While Kobe is cherished by people that grew up with him in the late 90s, 2000s, these kids out here don't give a fukk because he's not relevant to their generation. Jordan is starting to get talked about negatively the same way. What makes your stupid ass think that won't happen in the future to Bron...which is why I made the comment.

Put me on ignore. You weren't on the site last month so its not gonna make a big difference

 

[Roger king]

That's why I called you a Bron stan.

Only a stan says this.

With this logic, how did Bron surpass Kareem's record?

Somebody will always come in the future.

Its clear your only interested in ad hominems and attacks not a civil debate, i presented to you undisputed facts about lebron having more all NBA selections than curry, more mvps, more finals MVP, more All defensive teams, more all star selections, more playoff wins, literraly surpasses steph in every measurable basketball metric and the same applies even if steph wings a ring.
I never stated lebron surpassed kareem, i said pundits espn and the basketball community at large universally recognizes lebron as a top 3 player. That is not disputed to anyone with common sense.

 

[KidJSoul]

Reason I can't put Steph over Bron is because Steph benefits greatly from his team's depth and is basically ineffective without it when it comes to winning games in the playoffs. He needs Klay, Dray, a midrange dude (Iggy, Wiggins, Livingston) and a gang of screens to get his game off. He's Bibby on steroids.


LeBron single handedly wins games. He controls the pace, getting 30 something while also getting his teammates involved to the tune of 7 assists for a career. He impacts the game in a way that is rarely seen in the NBA. We have seen LeBron carry and drag his ineffectual teammates to heights they have no business being at. LeBron is proven in this regard, regardless what haters got to say. Nobody wins titles on their own, but LeBron is one of those rare guys that only needs a sliver of help to push things over the top, which is why people get angry at him for "stacking the deck". The obvious problem with this is that LeBron has faced overwhelming odds every trip.

Look at what LeBron faced

> a 70+ win team in the Finals (and won)
> that same team, but now with Durant
> having to go to war with constantly injured teammates (Wade, Kyrie, Love, AD)
> Greatly underperforming teammates that are supposedly "stars" (Wade, AD, Bosh, Love, Hughes)
> Stupid teammates (J.R. Smith)
> Pop's Spurs, not once, not twice, but THREE times in the Finals
> a Magic team that set a record for threes in a single game with 23
> Kyrie leaving him high and dry for literally no reason
> Big 3 Celtics

I mean the list goes on and on. Curry hasn't faced half that adversity, and STILL has less rings than LeBron as of May 2022. Every time we have to talk about LeBron, he's at some kind of disadvantage that haters willfully ignore to get their narratives off. It's frustrating as hell, and although I've seen Curry face adversity, he has NEVER faced the kind of adversity as Bron. It's not even close, and that's why I can't put Steph over James: adversity.

So much gaslighting in this post.

Lebron played in the east, for starters.

That 70 win team... they don't get 70 wins with any other superstar leading that team. There's a reason why only two teams in NBA HISTORY have gotten 70 wins. Don't act like that pre-KD GSW roster was the best roster ever. Curry literally had a top 5 season ever.


You bring up the depth they have. Yes, they masked some of his flaws in the past, but you ignore that Curry's style of play masks their flaws and elevates them.

Again, look at Draymond skillset, offensively. Do you really think Draymond is having the career he has without Steph? Be honest. Draymond himself has alluded to this.

Again, Klay would be relegated to a corner 3 guy on another team, because of his lack of handles. But in GSW he gets a greenlight.

Look at the rosters. 2015 - Iguodala, West, Livingston, Bogut, etc. Some of them were cast-offs who didn't achieve their potential. All iguodala did in Philly was be a low seed. Then he went to Denver and lost to guess who.... Curry. Then joined him.

Yes, LeBron had adversity. 2015, being injured the last couple of years being injured, 2014 Bosh and Wade got hurt. But you ignore that his style of play presents roadblocks for him. (And that the East was weak).

There's a reason why he had to constantly team up with superstars or top 15 players. Because it's the only way to brute force build a high ceiling team with his playstyle. You ignore his super teams that he built.

Curry's skillset allows GSW to play an actually offensive system with ball movement... and allows other to get into a rhythm.

Look at GSW record without Curry, you're underselling his value.

For the record I'm not saying Curry is better than Bron

I still wouldn't put Curry's legacy above Lebron's. It's no knock against Curry but he's had the luxury of a being in an extremely competent organization.

LeBron has more individual awards and is on pace to beat KAJ's scoring record.

Lmao what was that organization doing for Steph got there?

 

[Mike Wins]

no finals mvps

Only because the best player on the winning team led his team in scoring and assists but didn't get MVP. Literally the only time that's ever happened

Steph averaged 26-5-6 vs Andre's 16-6-4 and somehow didn't win because Andre played better on defense. Never happened before or since

 

[McPiff]

 

[Trojan 24]

Lol nikka what do you think you're achieving with this fake ass Steph = Jordan analogy you're feebly attempting to make?

Steph Curry is not molding Andrew Wiggins my dude, you are embarrassing yourself. Jesus Christ

You gonna be typing up a lot of essays these next couple weeks, yet another Pulitzer Prize winning Bron Stan

 

[Mike Wins]

Oh, I forgot, this is the Coli hater crowd where letting a White man do it for you is superior to doing it yourself cause your white boss wasn't shyt.

at making this racial. He left Mike Brown and Ty Lue high and dry to get fired, to go play for Pat Riley/Erik Spoelstra and Rob Pelinka/Luke Walton

 

[catskill247]

This is only ever used against LeBron James, so I have a hard time accepting this as an argument.

We saw MULTIPLE players leave the team that drafted them, from Shaq, to Barkley, to Kareem, to Pippen. Leaving your team for presumed better pastures has NEVER been seen as a negative until LeBron did it.

And let's be frank-- the reason this is seen as a negative was because we were all ok, as a collective, with LeBron being a loser, having never won a championship. I'll take it a step further-- nobody wanted to see LeBron win, outside of those of us that were his fans. So this translated to hatred when he made a move that was perceived as a step in the direction of him becoming a winner. People had gotten comfortable with LeBron being a monster regular season player, but flaming out in the playoffs.

Let's talk about White people for a quick second. They looked at LeBron moving as the slave gaining his freedom, and no matter what White folk say, this will always make them nikkas uncomfortable. Hence, the overwhelming hate directed at him from that community, and Skip Bayless doubling down on his bullshyt, ignoring all context and history behind players utilizing free agency. I will never come off my hill that Skip Bayless is a racist. Sorry, I cannot be convinced.

Anyway, players like Kobe, Steph and Duncan DIDN'T HAVE TO LEAVE. They were drafted into winning situations, or prospective winning situations, with competent coaches and systems. It is not a plus for a player to stay in a win-win situation, that is expected. LeBron gave Cleveland 7 years to improve the situation-- they refused, with Gilbert content with losing, because LeBron was singlehandedly improving the economy in the community surrounding the Q, making him richer no matter the outcome of the season. These nikkas had an opportunity to acquire Amare Stoudemire to help Bron, but Gilbert said "No, we're going with J.J. Hickson", who is currently a plumber somewhere.

Do I personally wish Bron stayed with Cleveland/Heat? Yes, if only so I don't have to hear this tired argument for the 2395872430958th time.

LeBron HAD to leave to be the guy we all know him to be today. Do you really want an NBA where LeBron James stayed on the loser Cavs, and has zero chips? If the answer is yes, ask yourself why that is.

5 star post gawd damn

I just wanted to add that I hated Bron so much simply because he was being compared to MJ during his first 7yrs. I thought he don't play the same, he hasn't won anything, plus the league had KB doing his best MJ impression, why the hype around Bron. I want Bron to fail so bad I didn't even want to see him get to the finals to play KB. Getting to the finals was too good for Bron I thought.

Once he went to Miami, the reason why he did it, the way a player was able to pull this off not to mention the adversity he still had to overcome in crucial playoff games made me change my outlook on him. Sadly I believe alot of people still hate him merely for being compared to MJ and it threatens them to see their childhood goat appear not so invincible after all.

 

[Sccit]

You gonna be typing up a lot of essays these next couple weeks, yet another Pulitzer Prize winning Bron Stan

GREAT WE OPENED UP REGISTRATION AND GOT ANOTHER WEIRDO GROUPIE HERE

AS IF WE DIDNT HAVE ENOUGH

ITS PROLLY AN OLD BANNED POSTER THO .. MAYBE @GoddamnyamanProf OR @The Gimp

 

[Professor Emeritus]

at making this racial. He left Mike Brown and Ty Lue high and dry to get fired, to go play for Pat Riley/Erik Spoelstra and Rob Pelinka/Luke Walton

He made both Mike Brown and Ty Lue's careers and they each picked up fantastic opportunities afterwards as a result.


No idea why you're talking about coaches though, that's a weird deflection. The claim in the conversation was that Steph's career is superior because he let Joe Lacob and Bob Myers put his teams together, whereas Bron's career is inferior because he was stuck in a shytty-ass city and had to leave in order to put a team together himself.

Can you explain that? Can you explain how being subservient to a boss and letting him do the work for you somehow gives you the superior career? Cause I'm really not getting it. It's not like Bron ever joined an elite team - all three times he switched, he went to a team that had been trash without him. All three times he did the work to put together the squad capable of success and then haters somehow hold that against him.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

The most hilarious part is that they're hyping Steph for a close-out game in which he shot 5-17 for 15 points and was the 5th-leading scorer on his own team....

While doing little on defense either......


And THAT is what makes him surpass Bron.




His second very underwhelming series in a row, once again he didn't even look like the best player on the court....and yet the casual take is that this has been a legacy-defining run that proves he is one of the GOATs. And his other "legacy-defining" runs are picking up 0 Finals MVP votes in the injury-riddled 2015 playoffs and then riding KD to two easy championships. (Bookended by blowing a 3-1 lead with more underwhelming performances in 2016 and then failing to beat Kawhi once he lost KD's help in 2019, then missing the playoffs two years in a row.) Make it make sense.

 

[Mike Wins]

He made both Mike Brown and Ty Lue's careers and they each picked up fantastic opportunities afterwards as a result.


No idea why you're talking about coaches though, that's a weird deflection. The claim in the conversation was that Steph's career is superior because he let Joe Lacob and Bob Myers put his teams together, whereas Bron's career is inferior because he was stuck in a shytty-ass city and had to leave in order to put a team together himself.

Can you explain that? Can you explain how being subservient to a boss and letting him do the work for you somehow gives you the superior career? Cause I'm really not getting it. It's not like Bron ever joined an elite team - all three times he switched, he went to a team that had been trash without him. All three times he did the work to put together the squad capable of success and then haters somehow hold that against him.

You really gonna pretend if Steph, KD and Kawhi teamed up on some previously garbage franchise (examples I listed being Knicks and Clippers but could have been anyone) that Bron stans would've just said "the game is the game" and gave the ?

After the way they cried about KD going to the Warriors? Because I will never believe that.

Already stated, very clearly, I don't got a problem with him leaving Cleveland. I got a problem with him and his stans crying about another player and franchise beating him at his superteam game. Y'all try to take the racial stance, but y'all had a serious problem with another black man playing where he wanted to play, strictly because his team of choice happened to whoop Bron's ass

 

[Professor Emeritus]

You really gonna pretend if Steph, KD and Kawhi teamed up on some previously garbage franchise (examples I listed being Knicks and Clippers but could have been anyone) that Bron stans would've just said "the game is the game" and gave the ?

After the way they cried about KD going to the Warriors? Because I will never believe that.

Please, point out where I EVER bytched about KD playing where he wanted to play.

I never said jack shyt about it being a problem for KD to go there. I just said that it didn't do anything for his legacy. Easy titles are not legacy buffing....because they're easy titles. I'm not a casual-ass ring-counter who gives someone credit just for being there. And I'm consistent on that - I've always said repeatedly that Bron's 2020 title didn't add much to his legacy because it was the easiest of his four rings and he wasn't required to do anything that he hadn't already shown was well within his abilities.

Already stated, very clearly, I don't got a problem with him leaving Cleveland. I got a problem with him and his stans crying about another player and franchise beating him at his superteam game. Y'all try to take the racial stance, but y'all had a serious problem with another black man playing where he wanted to play, strictly because his team of choice happened to whoop Bron's ass

I don't "cry about" other players doing it. It just belongs in the proper context. Don't make up bullshyt and claim I had a "serious problem with another black man playing where he wanted to play."

If you have to make up shyt and lie on me in order to win the argument, then you've already lost the argument.

 

[Take It In Blood]

Steph has a better chance of catching Jordan's 6 than Bron has

 

[Mike Wins]

Please, point out where I EVER bytched about KD playing where he wanted to play.

I never said jack shyt about it being a problem for KD to go there. I just said that it didn't do anything for his legacy. Easy titles are not legacy buffing....because they're easy titles. I'm not a casual-ass ring-counter who gives someone credit just for being there. And I'm consistent on that - I've always said repeatedly that Bron's 2020 title didn't add much to his legacy because it was the easiest of his four rings and he wasn't required to do anything that he hadn't already shown was well within his abilities.






I don't "cry about" other players doing it. It just belongs in the proper context. Don't make up bullshyt and claim I had a "serious problem with another black man playing where he wanted to play."

If you have to make up shyt and lie on me in order to win the argument, then you've already lost the argument.

Shouldn't have applied some of these opinions to you, because you haven't expressed them. So in those cases, my bad. Re-reading my post, realize I applied some statements to you specifically that I shouldn't have, was trying to speak in a general sense

But in that general sense, I seen too many dudes claim the hate against Bron for jumping around is racist, then they turn around and shyt all over KD for playing where he wanted to play. Tells me it's more about fandom/standom than anything else