Is Steph winning his fourth Finals putting Lebron Era to the back burner for the 00s

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The question itself from an objective perspective is asinine. If lebron career started in 2013 excluding the previous 10 years and all his MVPs and all nba selections, he would still be considered a better player and far above curry, he would still have more all nba selections, more finals mvp. One guy has never been the best player on a championship winning team, while the other guy has been the best player four times and won Nothing steph and the warriors do can change the fact that they blew a 3 1 lead first ever in nba history to lebron, nothing will ever put that to the backburner or erase that. Curry will never be considered the best player at his position, lebron is universally accepted as the best player in his and better than steph greatest competitor for his own PG position.
 

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Klay and Draymond together are vastly superior than either Kyrie or AD individually. You can't be serious with that post

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HAVIN A TOP 5 PLAYER IS MUCH MORE CRUCIAL TO SUCCESS THAN HAVING 2 TOP 25 PLAYERS. LOOK AT MIAMI, LOSING WHEN IT MATTERS. BECAUSE THEY DONT HAVE THAT TOP 5. LEBRON ALWAYS HAD AT LEAST 2 ON HIS TEAMS … A TOP 5 SECOND OPTION > 2 BORDERLINE ALL-STARS..ESPECIALLY WHEN BOTH TEAMS HAVE GOOD ROLE PLAYERS

WIGGINS WAS CONSIDERED A BUST BEFORE HE CAME TO GS, SO STOP PRETENDING LIKE HES SOMETHIN HES NOT. HES A GOOD PLAYER, BUT HE’S MUCH CLOSER TO A JR SMITH THAN HE IS TO KEVIN LOVE OR CHRIS BOSH.
 
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Reason I can't put Steph over Bron is because Steph benefits greatly from his team's depth and is basically ineffective without it when it comes to winning games in the playoffs. He needs Klay, Dray, a midrange dude (Iggy, Wiggins, Livingston) and a gang of screens to get his game off. He's Bibby on steroids.
Steph isn't anyone on steroids. He's one of a kind. I'm not even sure how you came to the conclusion his game resembles Bibby's other than the fact they're small lightskin guards.

Steph won't surpass Bron simply because he can't match his longevity at the top. He certainly has a impact-peak that is in the vicinity of Bron's, but that doesn't mean a whole lot in all-time rankings if you don't have the longevity to match. The point about Steph benefitting from his team's depth and him being ineffective without it is bullshyt. Nobody in the history of the game make his teammates better than Steph does. Nobody. Nobody creates more easy scoring opportunities for his teammates to a greater degree and regularity than Steph does. Nobody. This is why he's broken the game, and leaves nxggas like you confused on how to scale his play and impact properly. Wiggins went from a bust and a wasteman, barely shooting 33% from behind the arc, playing like hoops was merely a job and not a passion, to going to GS, completely reinventing himself, having a positive impact on the floor, shooting near 40% from behind the arc on greater volume, and playing to the best version of himself, is entirely because of Steph. Keep in mind, this is after Steph had already won three titles, went to five Finals', and has lengthy playoff mileage. 99.9% of players that play alongside him turn into versions of themselves that they couldn't possibly imagine beforehand.

Draymond's existence on offense, is [almost] entirely because of Steph. All the role players that have played for GS over the last decade and played career-best ball, is entirely because of Steph. He has the greatest influence on his teammates' shooting percentages on/off the floor, ever. Playing alongside Steph is playing the game on easy mode. His team play 5v4, 5v3, and even at times 5v2 with the defensive attention he receives, where he scrambles defense all over the halfcourt. We haven't seen this before, and we likely will never see it again. It's the reason why we can't use any traditional method to measure his impact because there's nobody else that has come before him.

Watch that Mavs series over again, and look at how many contested/tough shots his teammates took when he was on the floor. You won't see many.
 

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Steph isn't anymore on steroids. He's one of a kind. I'm not even sure how you came to the conclusion his game resembles Bibby's other than the fact they're small lightskin guards.

I agree with most/the gist of the rest of your post, so I'm only replying to this.

You cut out the part where I stated what made him Bibby on roids-- the constant running offense off screens for three point shots. That was Bibby's game, he was famous for that specific thing. Steph took it a step further by becoming an off the ball screen-guy, but Bibby was known for this.

Come on, fam, don't take being called Bibby as an insult. Bibby is my second favorite player of all time. Loved loved LOVED that Kings squad.:whew:
 

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He did it for Mo Williams which is >>>>>. :umad:


You're really playing in dangerous territory here breh, cause if Steph moves up in the top-10, all-time guard, and ring-counter-without FMVPs rankings, Bron isn't the guy who is gonna get displaced. :sas2:
Shhhh they don't really want to sniff that conversation.
Too soon.
 

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He certainly can be. He's already 1b. But that doesn't mean anything in comparison to Bron. Regardless of that, don't fall for this thread. OP just trying to get folks to pit Steph and Bron against each other.
Yeah wish we could just enjoy both players, it does seem this thread has an agenda/narrative to push. Small pushback on this tho, even if steph wins the next two rings and finals mvp consecutively. He still trails magic johnson, in finals mvp, he still trails him in MVPs, and will just equal him in rings. Magic rookie year he won finals MVP that is insane.
 
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I agree with most/the gist of the rest of your post, so I'm only replying to this.

You cut out the part where I stated what made him Bibby on roids-- the constant running offense off screens for three point shots. That was Bibby's game, he was famous for that specific thing. Steph took it a step further by becoming an off the ball screen-guy, but Bibby was known for this.

Come on, fam, don't take being called Bibby as an insult. Bibby is my second favorite player of all time. Loved loved LOVED that Kings squad.:whew:
My bad, I shouldn't have gone off like I did, but it's tiresome reading the same shyt about Steph.

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Yeah wish we could just enjoy both players, it does seem this thread has an agenda/narrative to push. Small pushback on this tho, even if steph wins the next two rings and finals mvp consecutively. He still trails magic johnson, in finals mvp, he still trails him in MVPs, and will just equal him in rings. Magic rookie year he won finals MVP that is insane.
He doesn't need to win any individual accolades to surpass Magic. He just needs to keep playing to the best of his abilities for as long as he possibly can. Everything else will take care of itself; he'll either get lucky enough to win, or he won't. Winning rings, MVPs, FMVPs is all circumstantial, particularly for someone like him who wasn't drafted to a franchise like the Lakers. What he's turned the Warriors into holds greater value than what Magic did for the Lakers.

But that's just my opinion, as I don't like using accolades in that manner to judge and rank players.
 

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OK, but the guy you're arguing with is making the case that Wiggins is actually contributing to the Warriors success, which nullifies your argument about Steph getting Wiggins a chip.

Is Steph willing Wiggins to a chip, or is Wiggins actually contributing to the team, unlike Mo Williams?

Both these are not true at the same time :umad:

Steph made Wiggins a better player to help him get a chip that's the difference :umad:
 

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So wait are we saying backhandedly if Curry wins another championship (which is presumptuous the Celtics are a well balanced team assuming they finish off the Heat) that he is better than LeBron?

Better as a player? No. Better in terms of legacy? Yes.

The fact LeBron had to create superteam after superteam after superteam to win 4 rings while Steph did it all from Oakland dims LeBron's light a little.

LeBron is still playing but, once he retires and falls back from the public light and people really examine his career without recency bias clouding their thoughts....once new/younger fans start identifying with their generation of players instead of LeBron, like yall do Jordan and Kobe right now, people are going to really come to grips with what he did.

For example, let's say 15 years from now, a new kid on the block gets 3-4 rings w/o creating superteams. He's gonna have hella stans. Be compared to Jordan, Kobe, Magic, all that. The same way Bron stans are obnoxious today, those future kids are gonna be disrespecting the hell out of LeBron for comparing his superteam rings to someone that's getting them in a more traditional fashion.
 
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Yeah wish we could just enjoy both players, it does seem this thread has an agenda/narrative to push
It's old smoke from the Warrior/Cavs Finals days. I am a LeBron fan, so I know this well.

We peaced it up with Curry fans a long time ago. Hell, there was a push not too long ago for Curry to join James.
Damn. I gotta keep track of all these new Bron Stans.

Yeah, you do that. We've had to watch you nikkas badmouth LeBron for 7 years while registration was closed. Put it this way-- @Rhakim and @murksiderock have backup now. I will be in every thread debunking nonsense, that you can believe. LeBron has real faults, but you cats think joining another team is one of em.

Hint: it ain't.
My bad, I shouldn't have gone off like I did, but it's tiresome reading the same shyt about Steph.

:salute:

We good. I knew where your heart was, family. I have no smoke for Curry-- I only have smoke for false narratives and the like. Please call me on my shyt if you catch me slipping, I'm not too proud to admit I fukked up. :salute:
 

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Better as a player? No. Better in terms of legacy? Yes.

The fact LeBron had to create superteam after superteam after superteam to win 4 rings while Steph did it all from Oakland dims LeBron's light a little.

LeBron is still playing but, once he retires and falls back from the public light and people really examine his career without recency bias clouding their thoughts....once new/younger fans start identifying with their generation of players instead of LeBron, like yall do Jordan and Kobe right now, people are going to really come to grips with what he did.
Nonsense. Steph curry would still have 1 finals mvp to lebrons 4, he will still have less first team all nba selections, less MVPS, less defensive teams, less all star selections.
The fact that curry was the first Unanimous MVP and also the first to blow a 3-1 lead in nba history, he cant eclipse that, that stain will always be remembered, he had to get Kevin durant to get another championship
Lebron will be the all time leading scorer in the whole NBA by next season , when he retires the records will likely never be broken again as kareem record stood for over 30 years, the idea that steph will have a better legacy from a basketball perspective is lunacy.
Like what's your sensible argument?
 

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Steph made Wiggins a better player to help him get a chip that's the difference :umad:

Lol nikka what do you think you're achieving with this fake ass Steph = Jordan analogy you're feebly attempting to make?

Steph Curry is not molding Andrew Wiggins my dude, you are embarrassing yourself. Jesus Christ :heh:
 
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