Th3G3ntleman
Superstar
Who gives a shyt? Legacy talk is so embarrassing.
Is Steph winning his fourth Finals putting Lebron Era to the back burner for the 00s
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Roger king
Superstar
Jordan is the undisputed no 1 in the basketball, but lebron is universally recognized by peers, pundits, and analysts as a top 3 player . He will by Gods grace pass kareem all time for no 1 in scoring next year, thats a record that stood over 30 years and bron will still have chances to pad to that. Curry has never been the best player on a championship winning team, magic johnson his strongest competitor in the position won the finals mvp as a ROOKIE. Steph competition is magic not lebron. its asinine to suggest otherwise
People want to knock Bron so bad they will exalt someone else without realizing he's now passing MULTIPLE other top 10 players in that scenario.
Curry over magic? Kobe? Shaq? Duncan? Russell?
These are all arguments before you get to a UNIVERSALLY regarded top 3 player of all time.
Curry over magic? Kobe? Shaq? Duncan? Russell?
These are all arguments before you get to a UNIVERSALLY regarded top 3 player of all time.
Dude been irrelevant since he won with the Cavs. He shouldve retired after that season
THE MACHINE
night owl
He wont have a better legacy either. He will have a legendary legacy but it wont eclipse LeBron's at this rate. Bron has numerous huge playoff and finals moments, on top of having a better resume. I dont know what Steph's playoff moments are. He has 6 40-point playoff games and no real defensive highlights. Now if he gets to 5-6 rings and 2-3 FMVPs I think the conversation of best player post Jordan is on the table, including LeBron.
This year will determine if they ever really needed KD, or if they just needed "better than Harrison Barnes".
A ring and fMVP this year puts him clearly past KD, puts him neck and neck with Kobe, Duncan, Shaq. I dont care what anybody says, he should've won fMVP in 2015.
4 rings
1 fMVP
2x League MVP
2x Scoring Champ
Greatest shooter to ever touch a basketball
Duncan and Shaq had entire postseason runs where they completely carried their team on both sides of the ball. It's not just the 3 Finals MVPs each, it's how clearly dominant they had to be to get there. Curry has always had to rely on his teammates for defense and often ends up looking less than dominant on offense too - we're still waiting for the first big series where he even looked like the best player on the court. Even when he's been the best player on his team, his impact is usually upstaged by the other team's star.
2015 Finals: LeBron (and giving up FMVP to Iggy)
2016 Finals: LeBron and Kyrie
2017 Finals: Durant and LeBron
2018 Finals: LeBron and Durant
2019 Finals: Kawhi
2022 WCF: Luka
Those are the biggest series of his career so far. He was upstaged in every one, by 6 different players total.
We're really gonna put him in the same realm as guys like Shaq or Duncan who fukking dominated teams while carrying far weaker supporting casts than Curry has ever elevated?
You scary ass nikka, registration been closed so long, the boogey man of posters you hate has turned you into Kingsman with the conspiracy theories.
What kind of proof you want? I don't run from receipt requests, I literally do that for a living. We can do a ban bet, and I'd love to be the poster that got you up out the fukking paint.
But this is a theme I'm noticing: if the new posters don't agree with me, they're an alt out to get me!
And the irony of this post is that YOU yourself are a Kobe groupie, and your shyt posts on this board have earned you the WOAT tag, which you deserve and then some. Nikka, how are you in the NEGATIVE NINETEEN THOUSANDS???
Sad part is, you would be sucking my dikk if I was posting in favor of Kobe, you disingenuous halfwit.
CALM YOUR HAPPY ASS DOWN SON .. U NOT AS IMPORTANT AS U THINK. IF U A NEW LEBRON GROUPIE, CONGRATS! U MADE IT!!
WHEN U CONSTANTLY SON WEIRDOS WHO CONSIDER LEBRON THEIR DADDY WIT FACTS, A LOT OF TIMES THEYLL GET IN THEIR FEELINGS AND RESORT TO NEGGING WHEN U PUT THEM AT A LOSS FOR WORDS. EACH NEG REPRESENTS A VICTORY.
ON TOP OF THAT, THE COLI IS A MAJORITY ANTI-SEMITIC FORUM AND I HAPPEN TO BE JEWISH, SO THE SAME APPLIES FOR TLR. WHEN U GOOD ENOUGH AT WHAT U DO, EVENTUALLY AN ANGRY MOB WILL FORM TO TAKE U DOWN. GOOD LUCK.
AND WELCOME TO THE COLI.
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These hot takes in here about Curry are 
yall nikkas just like to see nikkas mad
yall nikkas just like to see nikkas mad
murksiderock
Superstar
My take:
What deads the "can Curry surpass Bron historically" conversation is LeBron had a HOF career before Curry even became Curry, circa 2013 or '14. Even of someone says Steph and Bron are equals since that time, which is still debatable, there is no equalizer period for 2003-14. What Curry's done since '14 has created a formidable resume on his own merits, and very much could be equal to LeBron's since then, but it isn't touching LeBron's entire body of work...
I definitely think that you're overstating the relevance of the Finals MVP. The MVP is the high dollar award, most guys who won an MVP didn't win the FMVP either because they never made a Finals or lost when they got there. Just within the last 10 years we have '15 Iggy and '14 Kawhi winning it, essentially making it the "who guarded LeBron" award and neither were the best players for their teams that season. I'm a huge Tony Parker Stan, but he won it in '07 for exploiting that terrible Cleveland backcourt, not because he was SA's best player...
Pierce won it in '08 when during the season Garnett was the 3rd place MVP finisher that year. Was Chauncey really the best player on the '04 Pistons? Did he even have the best series? That's five examples in the last 18 years...
What's happened now since it became the Who Gaurded LeBron Award, is it took on an elevated stature of accomplishment that it really didn't have before 2014. I'm definitely not saying that FMVP never mattered bruh, because it did, but it's overstated now and calling it the most important award is hyperbolic
...The Bron and Kobe thing was deaded 6 years ago to everyone besides Anti-LeBron's. And to me, you can boil down their comparison simply to this:
•Kobe had a 7-year head start, but every mile marker along the way, Bron was the better player. Rookie Kobe vs Rookie Bron, Y2 Kobe vs Y2 Bron, Y3 Kobe vs Y3 Bron, etc. There isn't a single season of Kobe's career that he was a better player than Bron at the exact same point of his. That has to matter and it matters to me greatly;
•we saw them overlap careers for 13 years, 2003-2016, which for added context, that's the exact amount of time we've currently seen Bron and Steph overlap (2009-present). In that time frame, not only did Bron have the H2H winning record (16-6), he generally performed better, and beats Kobe everywhere relevant from efficiency to traditional stats to advance stats to MVPs (4-1), FMVPs (3-2), Finals appearances (7-4), conference finals appearances (8-4), All-NBA accolades, and of course, the LOB (3-2)...
We all saw these dudes play in the sane exact league for 13 years, same rules, same opponents. One of these guys clearly dominated to a degree higher than the other and it just wasn't close. Kobe guys on here have tried to argue that you have to exclude the latter years he was post-prime but ignore that you'd have to do the same and exclude the years Bron was pre-prime, and it still doesn't change the end result. We saw these guys at the same time for over a dozen years, it wasn't close, that's a helluva sample size...
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I've gone down the minutiae with these dudes before but you can sum up the Bron/Kobe thing with those two points, I dont think the FMVP is relevant to the convo at all. And it ceased even being debatable once Bron closed the door in '16...
Also, I'm younger (33 next week, been watching NBA since '99), so I never saw Mike plays besides Wizards Mike. I think he's the only legitimate historical threat for Bron as greatest ever, and most people agree they are 1 and 2, bit where I divert is I have Bron over Mike. Greater floor-raiser, better defender peak-for-peak, better all-around player, more iconic playoff moments (Mike is the only person in the convo for greatest playoff performer ever), and Bron was all of these things in a more complex and talented NBA----->the same reason heads prop Mike over Russell...
Most people disagree and obviously have Mike at 1, I'm cool with that and certainly see the logic, but for the reasons I stated it's Bron for me!
murksiderock
Superstar
To be fair Steph was the best player in the '19, '17, and '15 WCFs...
That said, to remain fair, for an All-Timer who has played in 11 combined Finals and West Finals, with a 12th one pending here soon, to have only been the best player in roughly a quarter of them is an indictment when we're continually comparing him to the best of the best...
THE MACHINE
night owl
He's been the main, or co-main ingredient to 6 Finals appearances. He is to the outside game what Shaq was to paint gravity. He is the system.
He's not better than LeBron so him being upstaged by him doesn't factor in to me. He was the best player in the 2015 finals not named LeBron, lets not even play around with that. 2016, Kyrie had a better series but he wasnt the lead guy. He didnt have to face the attention as the main guy like Steph did on the other side. (Unless you're one of the folks that say Jason Terry was really better than Lebron in 2011) We see how that works for Kyrie when he's the primary focus of a defense over the course of a series. I 100% agree he doesnt have signature post season moments so I wouldnt put him in the top-10 yet. But with a win and FMVP his impact and resume say he's right there.
And technically he's been to the finals 3x without a top-75 player on his team (maybe 2nd ring incoming). Not many in the top 10-15 can say that
Bron 5x
Kobe 3x
Duncan, 2 or 3??
New blood came in here and been straight demolishing some of the resident retarded bron haters of the Seum. A beautiful sight, no doubt. Seum echo chamber of Bron haters has always been filled with the lowest IQ motherfukkers I’ve ever engaged in sports talk with.
Bittersteel
Rookie
It has never been about how many championships a player has.
It has always been about how many times were you the undisputed driving force to win the championship.
Kobe may have 5 but he was only the driving force for 2 of them. While Hakeem only has 2 but he was the driving force for both of them. So Kobe and Hakeem are comparable on the all time list. Some people have Hakeem in their top 10 and leave Kobe out others put Kobe in and leave Hakeem out.
Steph has only been the undisputed driving force for one championship. So by winning another championship he cements himself as a top 15 player.
Steph needs to go back to back to become top 10.
It has always been about how many times were you the undisputed driving force to win the championship.
Kobe may have 5 but he was only the driving force for 2 of them. While Hakeem only has 2 but he was the driving force for both of them. So Kobe and Hakeem are comparable on the all time list. Some people have Hakeem in their top 10 and leave Kobe out others put Kobe in and leave Hakeem out.
Steph has only been the undisputed driving force for one championship. So by winning another championship he cements himself as a top 15 player.
Steph needs to go back to back to become top 10.