Is Steph winning his fourth Finals putting Lebron Era to the back burner for the 00s

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Steph has a better chance of catching Jordan's 6 than Bron has


Well, duh. That became true the moment KD joined the team. But what does that have to do with legacy?

Where do you rank John Havlicek and his 8 rings, considering that he has more Finals MVPs than Steph has?

If Ray Allen hadn't made that 3pt shot, where would you rank Duncan?
 

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Only because the best player on the winning team led his team in scoring and assists but didn't get MVP. Literally the only time that's ever happened

Steph averaged 26-5-6 vs Andre's 16-6-4 and somehow didn't win because Andre played better on defense. Never happened before or since
what about the other ones?
bron get mvp everytime his team win a chip and leads both teams in all categories
 

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Boy, nobody gets The Coliseum jumping like LeBron James and Stephen Curry 🤣 that was true of Bron for years, and has been true of Steph for at least 3-4 years. They hurt a lot of nikkas feelings on here who feel threatened by both for various reasons...

Emotional and terrible posts galore in here, the funny thing is alota us fell for a troll thread to incite infighting; the other thing is for us longtime posters, most of these same heads weaponizing Steph in this convo have shytted on Steph REPEATEDLY when convenient over the years...

Look at the screen names, we know you nikkas. I wonder what has changed now that makes it okay to exalt Steph lol...

Look, 2014-2022 can be called the Steph/Bron decade or era akin to the Magic/Bird 80s. It doesn't have to be a 1:1 comp but both players popularity carried this league since then in most facets, and no one has done more winning than either in that stretch...

LeBron had an entire first ballot career prior to Curry's ascent to superstardom, circa 2003-13/14. It's beyond disingenuous to ignore this significant piece of information if you're going to compare the two...

All the other talking points are largely insignificant:

•both guys contrasting playstyles won many championships, just say you prefer one and keep it moving. To shyt on one in favor of the other is wack;

•Steph's lack of FMVPs, or having presumably 1 in 4 championships, is irrelevant. It will resonate tremendously that he was the best player on two championship teams;

•nobody now besides Bron haters care about "team hopping" so why the fukk would someone care about that I the future? This talking point is never mentioned on BSPN, FS1, The Athletic, SI, none of the reputable institutions because it serves no purpose---->but it exists on here. I wonder why 🤣 🤣

•as Steph continues to ascend the scrutiny on his legacy will intensify, and thats fair because he's going to continue to be compared to players higher and higher on the totem pole. So when we talk about playstyle and winning just remember all these guys are winners and played differently while still winning. Don't shyt on older era GOATs for accomplishing at high level while doing it differently...

But remember that everything is going to be fair game, how you performed in big games relative to the historical competition, how you performed with varying talent level around you, how your game rose or stagnated from regular season to postseason, etc. It's all going to come up....

..........

Most importantly, Steph's legacy as a truly unique, one-of-a-kind generational talent is going to be remembered for decades to come. He's 6'2 without shoes. In a game of giants he and West are by far the smallest players to be considered Top 20 guys, abd his impact on the sport has exceeded West's by multiples now. A 6'2 guy helped carry a team to multiple Finals and helped carry The League and change the sport. 6'2. Much respect and accomplishment for what he's done...
 

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That's the point dumbass. Kobe gets disrespected everyday by LeBron Stans

This is bull. LeBron fans only say what they say as a **reaction** to the vitriol spewed at them by Kobe stans. Just look at the nonsense Sccit and 10 Bandz say every time they decide to post.

The only reason you feel this way is because LeBron has surpassed Kobe in every respect as a basketball player, so the pendulum has swung to the point that LeBron probably has more fans than Kobe. I have no idea why you Kobe stans are so fukking insecure, but it is you people that are insecure. You like Kobe Bryant-- fantastic, I loved him too. But you nikkas think that he's greater than or equal to Jordan ( hint: he's not), so when LeBron got the comparisons, you all felt a way, and began attacking LeBron's fans. We are not about to let y'all rewrite history. Kobe and LeBron had a friendly rivalry; Kobe fans made it toxic.

You are simply seeing the REACTION to that. You don't get to complain about the nuclear waste you helped create :yeshrug:


On that note, I am an unabashed LeBron fan. I have no problems admitting that, and I feel like we should all lay our cards on the table. I have been a fan since he was in high school, when I met him. However, I am not the type to blindly praise dude, and will criticize him when necessary. I'm also from LA, so you already know (or should know) that I LOVE Bean.


You gonna be typing up a lot of essays these next couple weeks, yet another Pulitzer Prize winning Bron Stan

Imagine willfully coming to a message board for the past 10 years...

...and hating messages.

Am I using too many big words? I have no problem holding your hand, if you need it of course.
 

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This is bull. LeBron fans only say what they say as a **reaction** to the vitriol spewed at them by Kobe stans. Just look at the nonsense Sccit and 10 Bandz say every time they decide to post.

The only reason you feel this way is because LeBron has surpassed Kobe in every respect as a basketball player, so the pendulum has swung to the point that LeBron probably has more fans than Kobe. I have no idea why you Kobe stans are so fukking insecure, but it is you people that are insecure. You like Kobe Bryant-- fantastic, I loved him too. But you nikkas think that he's greater than or equal to Jordan ( hint: he's not), so when LeBron got the comparisons, you all felt a way, and began attacking LeBron's fans. We are not about to let y'all rewrite history. Kobe and LeBron had a friendly rivalry; Kobe fans made it toxic.

You are simply seeing the REACTION to that. You don't get to complain about the nuclear waste you helped create :yeshrug:


On that note, I am an unabashed LeBron fan. I have no problems admitting that, and I feel like we should all lay our cards on the table. I have been a fan since he was in high school, when I met him. However, I am not the type to blindly praise dude, and will criticize him when necessary. I'm also from LA, so you already know (or should know) that I LOVE Bean.




Imagine willfully coming to a message board for the past 10 years...

...and hating messages.

Am I using too many big words? I have no problem holding your hand, if you need it of course.

Bron can't surpass Kobe. He spent his whole career chasing rings on super teams. No amount of stat padding will put him over Kobe.
 

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Lebron played in the east, for starters.

That 70 win team... they don't get 70 wins with any other superstar leading that team. There's a reason why only two teams in NBA HISTORY have gotten 70 wins. Don't act like that pre-KD GSW roster was the best roster ever. Curry literally had a top 5 season ever.

You probably thought you were cooking with this. My friend, you didn't say anything that contradicted my points. Curry played on an excellent team-- that's not facing adversity, which was my thesis.

LeBron faced that team; that's facing adversity.

Do you not see the difference between those two situations? One was the roadblock, one faced the roadblock. One of these is more difficult.
You bring up the depth they have. Yes, they masked some of his flaws in the past, but you ignore that Curry's style of play masks their flaws and elevates them

Bruh, I did not ignore anything. The point is that Steph's teammates compliment him in a way that makes the game far easier for him. He has unselfish teammates that will spend the entire game setting screens for him, and making extra passes just to get him the ball. Compare that with Westbrook for the Lakers this year, who not only has a non-complementary style for LeBron, he's actually a detriment to LeBron, causing the Lakers to lose possessions with bone-headed play.

Steph does not have to worry about this with Dray and Klay (and Iggy, and Poole, and Wiggins, and Durant, and Livingston, etc. the list goes on)

Sidenote: you don't seem to be understanding my points AT ALL, because you are saying and replying to things that I never said. What in my post made you think I was "ignoring the flaws of his teammates?" What?

Yes, LeBron had adversity. 2015, being injured the last couple of years being injured, 2014 Bosh and Wade got hurt. But you ignore that his style of play presents roadblocks for him. (And that the East was weak).

This is half true. LeBron presents a unique challenge for coaches (his), in that you either play Dwight Howard from 2009 ball, or you have LeBron play hero ball and hope for the best.

This has obviously had mixed results, but if you're giving me 4 championships out of that, I'm taking it every single time. Contrary to popular hater belief, losses do not count, only championships do, and let the haters tell it, you wouldn't think LeBron had a single one.

Contrast this with Curry's game, and he hasn't yet matched LeBron in titles. So on one hand you've got a smoother experience as a coach and teammate, but one is winning more. Both work for me, but again, LeBron has been to the Finals more, won more, and has 4 Finals MVPs to show for it-- results speak for themselves.
 

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GREAT WE OPENED UP REGISTRATION AND GOT ANOTHER WEIRDO GROUPIE HERE

AS IF WE DIDNT HAVE ENOUGH

ITS PROLLY AN OLD BANNED POSTER THO .. MAYBE @GoddamnyamanProf OR @The Gimp

You scary ass nikka, registration been closed so long, the boogey man of posters you hate has turned you into Kingsman with the conspiracy theories.

What kind of proof you want? I don't run from receipt requests, I literally do that for a living. We can do a ban bet, and I'd love to be the poster that got you up out the fukking paint.

But this is a theme I'm noticing: if the new posters don't agree with me, they're an alt out to get me!

:heh: :mjlol: :russ:


And the irony of this post is that YOU yourself are a Kobe groupie, and your shyt posts on this board have earned you the WOAT tag, which you deserve and then some. Nikka, how are you in the NEGATIVE NINETEEN THOUSANDS??? :mjtf:



Sad part is, you would be sucking my dikk if I was posting in favor of Kobe, you disingenuous halfwit.
 
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because this means steph curry is better than lebron james :mjlol:
what the fukk argument is this
i'm not typing an essay about this. you know damn well he's not better than lebron all-time. his finals record could be jerry wests.
You’re correct. But this is how the Coli rates players. Ring count, Finals appearances, and Finals MVPs, only. Well, until it doesn’t work in favor of their favorite player.
 

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The idea that the guy who was the first ever to blow a 3 1 lead in NBA history while having the best team of all time to lebron, who also has less acolades than him in nearly if not all categories is somehow going to magically surpass him simply for equating his number of rings is pure fantasy and lunacy.
Steph is not even the best player in his position all time and winning a ring wont change that either. His competition is magic johnson not lebron.
 

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The idea that the guy who was the first ever to blow a 3 1 lead in NBA history while having the best team of all time to lebron, who also has less acolades than him in nearly if not all categories is somehow going to magically surpass him simply for equating his number of rings is pure fantasy and lunacy.
Steph is not even the best player in his position all time and winning a ring wont change that either. His competition is magic johnson not lebron.

Hell, the fact that Curry doesn't have a single Finals MVP deaded that argument a long time ago.

Could we make an argument he deserved one of those? Sure, I wouldn't stand in your way.

But LeBron was the best player on all his rings, according to the hardware. This is the main argument (amongst many) for why Bron is greater than Kobe: Finals MVPs >>>>>>> rings.

I don't care how many rings you have-- where are your finals mvps? Those are more valuable than rings, because players like Mo Williams and KCP have rings. Finals MVP tells you who was mostly responsible for that chip, and unfortunately for Kobe and Steph, the hardware says they don't have a case as far as LeBron is concerned.

For me, as a LeBron fan, this is why I can't put Bron over Jordan in the GOAT convo yet. Jordan has six of THE MOST important award of the season: FMVP.
 
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