Is Steph winning his fourth Finals putting Lebron Era to the back burner for the 00s

[Ozymandeas]

Nonsense. Steph curry would still have 1 finals mvp to lebrons 4, he will still have less first team all nba selections, less MVPS, less defensive teams, less all star selections.
The fact that curry was the first Unanimous MVP and also the first to blow a 3-1 lead in nba history, he cant eclipse that, that stain will always be remembered, he had to get Kevin durant to get another championship
Lebron will be the all time leading scorer in the whole NBA by next season , when he retires the records will likely never be broken again as kareem record stood for over 30 years, the idea that steph will have a better legacy from a basketball perspective is lunacy.
Like what's your sensible argument?

It's not nonsense Bron stan. Don't nobody respect them superteam rings but, yall.

You know how we sh*t on Bill Russell for playing in a 8 team league. That's Bron's future. People will acknowledge he was good but, as more guys come in the league who really live up to Jordan, he'll slide further and further down the list. You're a lunatic if you think future fans of a future NBA star who wins 4+ rings on his own team won't sh*t on LeBron up and down. Future fans will rip LeBron down just like yall rip other stars down today.

 

[Gotright]

Curry peak and prime years starting look a lot like Duncan’s as far as team build and team system( curry is the system) success

 

[Mike Wins]

This is only ever used against LeBron James, so I have a hard time accepting this as an argument.

We saw MULTIPLE players leave the team that drafted them, from Shaq, to Barkley, to Kareem, to Pippen. Leaving your team for presumed better pastures has NEVER been seen as a negative until LeBron did it.

And let's be frank-- the reason this is seen as a negative was because we were all ok, as a collective, with LeBron being a loser, having never won a championship. I'll take it a step further-- nobody wanted to see LeBron win, outside of those of us that were his fans. So this translated to hatred when he made a move that was perceived as a step in the direction of him becoming a winner. People had gotten comfortable with LeBron being a monster regular season player, but flaming out in the playoffs.

Let's talk about White people for a quick second. They looked at LeBron moving as the slave gaining his freedom, and no matter what White folk say, this will always make them nikkas uncomfortable. Hence, the overwhelming hate directed at him from that community, and Skip Bayless doubling down on his bullshyt, ignoring all context and history behind players utilizing free agency. I will never come off my hill that Skip Bayless is a racist. Sorry, I cannot be convinced.

Anyway, players like Kobe, Steph and Duncan DIDN'T HAVE TO LEAVE. They were drafted into winning situations, or prospective winning situations, with competent coaches and systems. It is not a plus for a player to stay in a win-win situation, that is expected. LeBron gave Cleveland 7 years to improve the situation-- they refused, with Gilbert content with losing, because LeBron was singlehandedly improving the economy in the community surrounding the Q, making him richer no matter the outcome of the season. These nikkas had an opportunity to acquire Amare Stoudemire to help Bron, but Gilbert said "No, we're going with J.J. Hickson", who is currently a plumber somewhere.

Do I personally wish Bron stayed with Cleveland/Heat? Yes, if only so I don't have to hear this tired argument for the 2395872430958th time.

LeBron HAD to leave to be the guy we all know him to be today. Do you really want an NBA where LeBron James stayed on the loser Cavs, and has zero chips? If the answer is yes, ask yourself why that is.

Kareem won a ring and Finals MVP with the Bucks

Shaq only left the Magic because their owner lowballed him and he left for a team that was significantly worse at the time

LMAO at Pippen, he left after winning 6 rings because he hated the FO after they fukked him over financially. Not even close to comparable

Chuck is the only half close comparison you listed but nobody putting him in the GOAT conversation

Fact is Bron gamed the system and took the shortcut to winning rings. Then bounced from Miami after they got waxed and handpicked a roster in Cleveland designed to beat the Spurs, not realizing the Warriors were coming. Then complained about the Warriors forming a superteam with KD after he did the same damn thing


Set everything else aside, that's the only thing I hold against him. He and his stans crying foul because KD and the Warriors beat him at his own game. They play it off like it's because he joined an established team. But they'd have acted the same if Steph, KD and Kawhi teamed up on the Knicks or Clippers or whatever and waxed the Cavs the next 2-3 years

 

[feelosofer]

Better as a player? No. Better in terms of legacy? Yes.

The fact LeBron had to create superteam after superteam after superteam to win 4 rings while Steph did it all from Oakland dims LeBron's light a little.

LeBron is still playing but, once he retires and falls back from the public light and people really examine his career without recency bias clouding their thoughts....once new/younger fans start identifying with their generation of players instead of LeBron, like yall do Jordan and Kobe right now, people are going to really come to grips with what he did.

For example, let's say 15 years from now, a new kid on the block gets 3-4 rings w/o creating superteams. He's gonna have hella stans. Be compared to Jordan, Kobe, Magic, all that. The same way Bron stans are obnoxious today, those future kids are gonna be disrespecting the hell out of LeBron for comparing his superteam rings to someone that's getting them in a more traditional fashion.

I still wouldn't put Curry's legacy above Lebron's. It's no knock against Curry but he's had the luxury of a being in an extremely competent organization.

LeBron has more individual awards and is on pace to beat KAJ's scoring record.

 

[Gotright]

Better as a player? No. Better in terms of legacy? Yes.

The fact LeBron had to create superteam after superteam after superteam to win 4 rings while Steph did it all from Oakland dims LeBron's light a little.

LeBron is still playing but, once he retires and falls back from the public light and people really examine his career without recency bias clouding their thoughts....once new/younger fans start identifying with their generation of players instead of LeBron, like yall do Jordan and Kobe right now, people are going to really come to grips with what he did.

For example, let's say 15 years from now, a new kid on the block gets 3-4 rings w/o creating superteams. He's gonna have hella stans. Be compared to Jordan, Kobe, Magic, all that. The same way Bron stans are obnoxious today, those future kids are gonna be disrespecting the hell out of LeBron for comparing his superteam rings to someone that's getting them in a more traditional fashion.

 

[Ozymandeas]

I still wouldn't put Curry's legacy above Lebron's. It's no knock against Curry but he's had the luxury of a being in an extremely competent organization.

LeBron has more individual awards and is on pace to beat KAJ's scoring record.

They weren't competent or a winning organization in 2009.

From 2008 to 2012, they lost an average of 49 games a year.

 

[KidJSoul]

Anyone arguing that Curry was the catalyst for the NBA moving towards more three point centric offenses isn't old enough to be talking about this topic.

2000-2002 Kings
2009 Magic
2011 Mavs
2014 Spurs

All three point heavy teams before Curry was a thing. The Magic stick out particularly for me, because if memory serves, they set a 3p record in the ECF vs LeBron, and died by the 3 vs the Lakers in the Finals.

Spurs 2014 finals and 2013 run really kicked started it when they were hitting nba record level of 3s with 2014 really putting the exclamation point for the simple fact the passing and then the 3s. The record margin win victory inspired other teams to do it but what people failed to realize the attempt weren’t ass high just the spurs were efficient

94/95 Rockets and Magic even before that. Feed the big, kick out to the shooters. Feed the big, kick out to the shooters. Over and over and over again.

But to the degree that the trend has accelerated the last 10 years (beginning before anyone gave a shyt about Curry), I don't think any particular team was the model. The model was analytics. More and more teams began adopting analytics as a primary part of their strategy, and analytics told them to shoot more threes. The teams that didn't follow were left in the dust. THAT was the driving factor above and beyond any single team or player being the model.

I was around for those teams

Curry still had an impact. It's inaccurate to day he's the sole reason teams shoot more threes, but he's had an impact - he's redefined what is a bad shot. He refined the types of threes people take.

Logo 3s in the flow of a game
Off the dribble threes
Pull up threes
Fastbreak transition 3s
Contested off balance threes

All of these existed before... but they were frowned upon. Or used sparingly. They were novelties.


Teams you guys brought up always shot 3s with their designated guys and ball movements. But Currys impact is with the freedom of the 3 ball. He liberated that shyt

 

[Roger king]

It's not nonsense Bron stan. Don't nobody respect them superteam rings but, yall.

You know how we sh*t on Bill Russell for playing in a 8 team league. That's Bron's future. People will acknowledge he was good but, as more guys come in the league who really live up to Jordan, he'll slide further and further down the list. You're a lunatic if you think future fans of a future NBA star who wins 4+ rings on his own team won't sh*t on LeBron up and down. Future fans will rip LeBron down just like yall rip other stars down today.

When you cant refute arguments you label someone a ''stan'. Who is nobody? Every single list produced by espn, bleacher report, pundits has lebron always in the top 3 , its the overwhelming consensus of the basketball community, you might not want to accept reality but those are facts.
No body will ever surpass lebrons all time scoring record, he will always be known as the no 1 scorer in the history of the nba. That record will stand for decades.
You cant blow a 3 1 lead to a guy who surpasses you in literally every other accolade, all star selections, all nba selections, finals mvp, mvp, all defensive teams etc there is literally no objective metric to argue steph being a better player or having a better legacy. Nonsense.

 

[Ozymandeas]

Think kids in 2040 gonna give a fukk about LeBron

 

[Ozymandeas]

When you cant refute arguments you label someone a ''stan'. Who is nobody? Every single list produced by espn, bleacher report, pundits has lebron always in the top 3 , its the overwhelming consensus of the basketball community, you might not want to accept reality but those are facts.
No body will ever surpass lebrons all time scoring record, he will always be known as the no 1 scorer in the history of the nba. That record will stand for decades.
You cant blow a 3 1 lead to a guy who surpasses you in literally every other accolade, all star selections, all nba selections, finals mvp, mvp, all defensive teams etc there is literally no objective metric to argue steph being a better player or having a better legacy. Nonsense.

That's why I called you a Bron stan.

Only a stan says this.

With this logic, how did Bron surpass Kareem's record?

Somebody will always come in the future.

 

[Kings County]

If Steph and the Warriors win their fourth championship this season would Steph impact and era be bigger than Lebron???

I think when it all said and done Steph will be remembered more than Lebron for changing the game and being the greatest shooter ever. He will also have a better finals record as well and could probably win more.

no finals mvps

 

[Kings County]

Think kids in 2040 gonna give a fukk about LeBron

nikkas still care bout jordan

 

[Th3Birdman]

Curry still had an impact.

I heavily doubt anyone here is suggesting Curry didn't have an impact. The point that was being made to you was that Curry was not THE catalyst.

Fact is Bron gamed the system and took the shortcut to winning rings.

This is revisionist history. Bosh was asked to come to the Cavaliers, and smartly, that nikka said fukk allodat, respectfully lol. All LeBron did was utilize free agency the way it was intended to be used. You just gave me weak excuses for why those players did exactly what LeBron did. I do not care what the circumstances were-- they left their teams for greener pastures. That's literally 1:1, sorry, you will not win this argument with me.

Think kids in 2040 gonna give a fukk about LeBron

shyt like this is why I continued to lurk as long as I did. Fukking yikes.

2040 is 18 years from now. Put in perspective, Kobe Bryant is still talked about today, and he was drafted 26 years ago. If you think kids won't care about a player many of the young folk are calling the GOAT, you are too stupid to engage, and I should probably put you on ignore right now.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Better as a player? No. Better in terms of legacy? Yes.

4 MVPs + 4 FMVPs + DPOY runner-up twice + most All-NBA selections ever + most all-star selections ever + one of the greatest big-game playoff performers in history + all-time leading scorer

or

2 MVPs + 1 FMVP + liability on defense + otherwise pedestrian record + legacy of being average in big playoff games + all-time leading 3pt shooter


There's no fukking comparison. The level of reach you have to do to even suggest a comparison is fukking wild. It's like claiming that Havlicek has a superior legacy to Kareem cause he has more titles and stayed on the same team the whole time..... NO ONE would believe that dumb shyt.

The fact LeBron had to create superteam after superteam after superteam to win 4 rings while Steph did it all from Oakland dims LeBron's light a little.

As opposed to Steph creating far more stacked superteams while doing far less on them?

Oh, I forgot, this is the Coli hater crowd where letting a White man do it for you is superior to doing it yourself cause your white boss wasn't shyt.

LeBron is still playing but, once he retires and falls back from the public light and people really examine his career without recency bias clouding their thoughts....once new/younger fans start identifying with their generation of players instead of LeBron, like yall do Jordan and Kobe right now, people are going to really come to grips with what he did.

For example, let's say 15 years from now, a new kid on the block gets 3-4 rings w/o creating superteams. He's gonna have hella stans. Be compared to Jordan, Kobe, Magic, all that. The same way Bron stans are obnoxious today, those future kids are gonna be disrespecting the hell out of LeBron for comparing his superteam rings to someone that's getting them in a more traditional fashion.

This is the most delusion shyt y'all ever say.

NO ONE brings up the fact that Wilt created superteam after superteam (in far worse fashion than Bron) unless a Bron stan points it out in an argument. NO ONE brings up the fact that Kareem forced his way to LA unless a Bron stan points in out in an argument. NO ONE points out that Magic and Kobe went out of their way to ensure they'd play for a stacked, powerful squad in Los Angeles rather than a shytty team like Chicago or Charlotte unless a Bron stan brings it up in an argument.

Seriously, NO ONE is gonna force those dumb narratives out of context because only Bron haters care about those narratives. They're completely non-organic, they're making a big deal about shyt that was never a big deal until Bron haters needed a reason to keep hating after Bron kept showing out over and over.


15 years from now, the only thing basketball fans are going to see when they watch Bron highlights and big games is that he was the best and most complete player of his era. They're going to see 4 MVPs, 4 titles, and 4 Finals MVPs. They're going to see stats like no one else has ever put up and classic playoff performances like no one games they ever watch. As the old 80s and 90s stans die out even the Bird and Magic fame is going to fade, and more and more it's just going to be MJ, LBJ, and KAJ at the top of the mountain historically.

Your lame attempts at narratives are going to die with you.

 

[Pure Water]

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