Is Steph winning his fourth Finals putting Lebron Era to the back burner for the 00s

[dayun]

What does Curry have that Lebron doesn't?

Unanimous MVP

 

[YaThreadTrashB!]

Curry when he wins 5 >>> bron


@Rhakim aka napoleon

 

[Mike Wins]

Reason I can't put Steph over Bron is because Steph benefits greatly from his team's depth and is basically ineffective without it when it comes to winning games in the playoffs. He needs Klay, Dray, a midrange dude (Iggy, Wiggins, Livingston) and a gang of screens to get his game off. He's Bibby on steroids.


LeBron single handedly wins games. He controls the pace, getting 30 something while also getting his teammates involved to the tune of 7 assists for a career. He impacts the game in a way that is rarely seen in the NBA. We have seen LeBron carry and drag his ineffectual teammates to heights they have no business being at. LeBron is proven in this regard, regardless what haters got to say. Nobody wins titles on their own, but LeBron is one of those rare guys that only needs a sliver of help to push things over the top, which is why people get angry at him for "stacking the deck". The obvious problem with this is that LeBron has faced overwhelming odds every trip.

Look at what LeBron faced

> a 70+ win team in the Finals (and won)
> that same team, but now with Durant
> having to go to war with constantly injured teammates (Wade, Kyrie, Love, AD)
> Greatly underperforming teammates that are supposedly "stars" (Wade, AD, Bosh, Love, Hughes)
> Stupid teammates (J.R. Smith)
> Pop's Spurs, not once, not twice, but THREE times in the Finals
> a Magic team that set a record for threes in a single game with 23
> Kyrie leaving him high and dry for literally no reason
> Big 3 Celtics

I mean the list goes on and on. Curry hasn't faced half that adversity, and STILL has less rings than LeBron as of May 2022. Every time we have to talk about LeBron, he's at some kind of disadvantage that haters willfully ignore to get their narratives off. It's frustrating as hell, and although I've seen Curry face adversity, he has NEVER faced the kind of adversity as Bron. It's not even close, and that's why I can't put Steph over James: adversity.

Steph never gonna be rated higher than Bron as an individual player, Bron probably the most gifted player of all time far as combining basketball IQ, speed, strength, size, coordination and vision. And can put a team on his back the way very few ever could

But can't pretend he didn't bounce from team to team repeatedly, handpicking rosters and coaches along the way. So if Steph winds up with as many or more rings in the same era staying in one spot the whole time, that's a major win for Steph

 

[jaydawg08]

JR SMITH THE FORMER 18 PPG SCORER & KCP THE FORMER 15 PPG SCORER WERE THE 4TH OPTION ON TEAMS THAT HAD ANOTHER TOP 5 LEVEL PLAYER PLAYIN SECOND FIDDLE ON EM

U SLURPER

Wtf... A 5 and 8 PPG difference between your examples. You can't be serious.

Wiggins was a 1a or 1b when he was in MN. When the hell were JR or KCP ever that

 

[Sccit]

Wiggins was a 1a or 1b when he was in MN. When the hell were JR or KCP ever that

SOUNDS LIKE U SKIPPED RIGHT OVER MY MAIN POINT THERE BUDDY

DOES STEPH HAVE A SECOND OPTION LIKE AD OR KYRIE?

LOL

 

[Left.A1]

Will Steph and the Warriors be favorites in the finals

 

[jaydawg08]

Steph never gonna be rated higher than Bron as an individual player, Bron probably the most gifted player of all time far as combining basketball IQ, speed, strength, size, coordination and vision. And can put a team on his back the way very few ever could

But can't pretend he didn't bounce from team to team repeatedly, handpicking rosters and coaches along the way. So if Steph winds up with as many or more rings in the same era staying in one spot the whole time, that's a major win for Steph

I think it goes more in line with the GSW organization as a whole. It's a major win for that organization. Can Steph go on any team and gain the same type of success or even close? No.

What was Steph without Klay or another elite 3pter? We saw that play out last year.

 

[jaydawg08]

SOUNDS LIKE U SKIPPED RIGHT OVER MY MAIN POINT THERE BUDDY

DOES STEPH HAVE A SECOND OPTION LIKE AD OR KYRIE?

LOL

Klay and Draymond together are vastly superior than either Kyrie or AD individually. You can't be serious with that post

 

[Trojan 24]

Uh, yeah, you did miss when Mo won a chip: 2016.
Mo Williams is an NBA champion due to LeBron James

What he average that series, I don't even remember him playing

 

[Mike Wins]

I think it goes more in line with the GSW organization as a whole. It's a major win for that organization. Can Steph go on any team and gain the same type of success or even close? No.

What was Steph without Klay or another elite 3pter? We saw that play out last year.

They went from 15-50, worst team in the Western Conference, without him to 37-26 with him in the lineup the next year

How's that a knock?

 

[jaydawg08]

They went from 15-50, worst team in the Western Conference, without him to 37-26 with him in the lineup the next year

How's that a knock?

It's not a knock on him persay, but again he's the floor raiser that a guy like Bron is. Which is important when comparing the 2, which is what this thread is about

 

[Th3Birdman]

But can't pretend he didn't bounce from team to team repeatedly, handpicking rosters and coaches along the way. So if Steph winds up with as many or more rings in the same era staying in one spot the whole time, that's a major win for Steph

This is only ever used against LeBron James, so I have a hard time accepting this as an argument.

We saw MULTIPLE players leave the team that drafted them, from Shaq, to Barkley, to Kareem, to Pippen. Leaving your team for presumed better pastures has NEVER been seen as a negative until LeBron did it.

And let's be frank-- the reason this is seen as a negative was because we were all ok, as a collective, with LeBron being a loser, having never won a championship. I'll take it a step further-- nobody wanted to see LeBron win, outside of those of us that were his fans. So this translated to hatred when he made a move that was perceived as a step in the direction of him becoming a winner. People had gotten comfortable with LeBron being a monster regular season player, but flaming out in the playoffs.

Let's talk about White people for a quick second. They looked at LeBron moving as the slave gaining his freedom, and no matter what White folk say, this will always make them nikkas uncomfortable. Hence, the overwhelming hate directed at him from that community, and Skip Bayless doubling down on his bullshyt, ignoring all context and history behind players utilizing free agency. I will never come off my hill that Skip Bayless is a racist. Sorry, I cannot be convinced.

Anyway, players like Kobe, Steph and Duncan DIDN'T HAVE TO LEAVE. They were drafted into winning situations, or prospective winning situations, with competent coaches and systems. It is not a plus for a player to stay in a win-win situation, that is expected. LeBron gave Cleveland 7 years to improve the situation-- they refused, with Gilbert content with losing, because LeBron was singlehandedly improving the economy in the community surrounding the Q, making him richer no matter the outcome of the season. These nikkas had an opportunity to acquire Amare Stoudemire to help Bron, but Gilbert said "No, we're going with J.J. Hickson", who is currently a plumber somewhere.

Do I personally wish Bron stayed with Cleveland/Heat? Yes, if only so I don't have to hear this tired argument for the 2395872430958th time.

LeBron HAD to leave to be the guy we all know him to be today. Do you really want an NBA where LeBron James stayed on the loser Cavs, and has zero chips? If the answer is yes, ask yourself why that is.

 

[Th3Birdman]

What he average that series, I don't even remember him playing

OK, but the guy you're arguing with is making the case that Wiggins is actually contributing to the Warriors success, which nullifies your argument about Steph getting Wiggins a chip.

Is Steph willing Wiggins to a chip, or is Wiggins actually contributing to the team, unlike Mo Williams?

Both these are not true at the same time

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I must have missed when Mo won a chip too, btw tell me who was the #4 behind JR and how many points did he average in his best season

Heat about to turn up

Never said Mo won a title, you've been spinning in circles so fast trying to move the goalposts over and over that you can't even keep track of your own argument.

But Bron DID get Mo a title in 2016, so watch you have to move the goalposts AGAIN lol.

And no one gives a shyt what shytty-ass concussed K-Love who couldn't even play all the Finals games was doing.

 

[feelosofer]

So wait are we saying backhandedly if Curry wins another championship (which is presumptuous the Celtics are a well balanced team assuming they finish off the Heat) that he is better than LeBron?