This is facts.
There are actual studies on this that prove the more teams relied on analytics, the more that team started jacking threes, at the expense of the midrange. If I find the study/article, I'll post it.
Is Steph winning his fourth Finals putting Lebron Era to the back burner for the 00s
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This is facts.
There are actual studies on this that prove the more teams relied on analytics, the more that team started jacking threes, at the expense of the midrange. If I find the study/article, I'll post it.
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What does Curry have that Lebron doesn't?
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If Curry makes Wiggins an NBA Champion I gotta put him top 2 
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The reason I go Bron > Steph is because we actually debate if Bron is better than MJ.
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Most people say MJ >>> Bron but there's at least a conversation. No one has EVER put Steph in that category. Is Wardell Jr., Top 10? I'd consider putting him in over Kobe except for the fact that Kobe was a great scorer (poor shooter) AND defender. Steph isn't really a legit 2-way player like that. Hakeem? An even better defensive player, more versatile but still very effective on offense.
Wardell Jr., is definitely Top 15, arguably has a case for Top 10 but LeBron is in the GOAT convo...even if most people say KAJ/MJ/Wilt/Magic (might be the Mount Rushmore). Curry can't be better than Bron if he's not even up for GOAT consideration. Curry is closer to Dirk but with a better team around him...hence the rangs.
.Most people say MJ >>> Bron but there's at least a conversation. No one has EVER put Steph in that category. Is Wardell Jr., Top 10? I'd consider putting him in over Kobe except for the fact that Kobe was a great scorer (poor shooter) AND defender. Steph isn't really a legit 2-way player like that. Hakeem? An even better defensive player, more versatile but still very effective on offense.
Wardell Jr., is definitely Top 15, arguably has a case for Top 10 but LeBron is in the GOAT convo...even if most people say KAJ/MJ/Wilt/Magic (might be the Mount Rushmore). Curry can't be better than Bron if he's not even up for GOAT consideration. Curry is closer to Dirk but with a better team around him...hence the rangs.
If Curry makes Wiggins an NBA Champion I gotta put him top 2
That's some soft bigotry of low expectations shyt right there.
Wiggins (a former 23ppg scorer) is the #4 scorer for the Warriors this year. Bron carried fukking J.R. Smith and KCP to championships as his #3.
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That's some soft bigotry of low expectations shyt right there.
Wiggins (a former 23ppg scorer) is the #4 scorer for the Warriors this year. Bron carried fukking J.R. Smith and KCP to championships as his #3.
Did he make them All-Stars too?
Did he make them All-Stars too?
He did it for Mo Williams which is >>>>>.
You're really playing in dangerous territory here breh, cause if Steph moves up in the top-10, all-time guard, and ring-counter-without FMVPs rankings, Bron isn't the guy who is gonna get displaced.
Kerr openly admitted the 2014 Spurs were the basis of his system too
That makes sense - Golden State has far more in common with the Spurs than they have with the trend the rest of the league has been on.
That's some soft bigotry of low expectations shyt right there.
Wiggins (a former 23ppg scorer) is the #4 scorer for the Warriors this year. Bron carried fukking J.R. Smith and KCP to championships as his #3.
JR SMITH THE FORMER 18 PPG SCORER & KCP THE FORMER 15 PPG SCORER WERE THE 4TH OPTION ON TEAMS THAT HAD ANOTHER TOP 5 LEVEL PLAYER PLAYIN SECOND FIDDLE ON EM
U SLURPER
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He did it for Mo Williams which is >>>>>.
You're really playing in dangerous territory here breh, cause if Steph moves up in the top-10, all-time guard, and ring-counter-without FMVPs rankings, Bron isn't the guy who is gonna get displaced.
I must have missed when Mo won a chip too, btw tell me who was the #4 behind JR and how many points did he average in his best season
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The reason I go Bron > Steph is because we actually debate if Bron is better than MJ.
Most people say MJ >>> Bron but there's at least a conversation. No one has EVER put Steph in that category. Is Wardell Jr., Top 10? I'd consider putting him in over Kobe except for the fact that Kobe was a great scorer (poor shooter) AND defender. Steph isn't really a legit 2-way player like that. Hakeem? An even better defensive player, more versatile but still very effective on offense.
Wardell Jr., is definitely Top 15, arguably has a case for Top 10 but LeBron is in the GOAT convo...even if most people say KAJ/MJ/Wilt/Magic (might be the Mount Rushmore). Curry can't be better than Bron if he's not even up for GOAT consideration. Curry is closer to Dirk but with a better team around him...hence the rangs.
Reason I can't put Steph over Bron is because Steph benefits greatly from his team's depth and is basically ineffective without it when it comes to winning games in the playoffs. He needs Klay, Dray, a midrange dude (Iggy, Wiggins, Livingston) and a gang of screens to get his game off. He's Bibby on steroids.
LeBron single handedly wins games. He controls the pace, getting 30 something while also getting his teammates involved to the tune of 7 assists for a career. He impacts the game in a way that is rarely seen in the NBA. We have seen LeBron carry and drag his ineffectual teammates to heights they have no business being at. LeBron is proven in this regard, regardless what haters got to say. Nobody wins titles on their own, but LeBron is one of those rare guys that only needs a sliver of help to push things over the top, which is why people get angry at him for "stacking the deck". The obvious problem with this is that LeBron has faced overwhelming odds every trip.
Look at what LeBron faced
> a 70+ win team in the Finals (and won)
> that same team, but now with Durant
> having to go to war with constantly injured teammates (Wade, Kyrie, Love, AD)
> Greatly underperforming teammates that are supposedly "stars" (Wade, AD, Bosh, Love, Hughes)
> Stupid teammates (J.R. Smith)
> Pop's Spurs, not once, not twice, but THREE times in the Finals
> a Magic team that set a record for threes in a single game with 23
> Kyrie leaving him high and dry for literally no reason
> Big 3 Celtics
I mean the list goes on and on. Curry hasn't faced half that adversity, and STILL has less rings than LeBron as of May 2022. Every time we have to talk about LeBron, he's at some kind of disadvantage that haters willfully ignore to get their narratives off. It's frustrating as hell, and although I've seen Curry face adversity, he has NEVER faced the kind of adversity as Bron. It's not even close, and that's why I can't put Steph over James: adversity.
@Gil Scott-Heroin Is this true, did Pop start the movement then somehow get left behind still?
no because none of those teams won a championship with the lead guard being the focal point as a deadly 3pt shooter.
That's what Curry's offense does, it vacuums up the paint defense away from the rim. Nobody has done that. The Spurs still relied on Tim Duncan to present problems in the post that defenses had to contend with. Still very much inside out - traditional, vs outside in non traditional Warriors.
that's not true, you are denying the uniqueness of Steph's PRESENCE that acts as a facilitator. He's unique because he doesn't have to have the ball to facility... his gravity is apart of his PG play, which in turn elevates his teammates.
I must have missed when Mo won a chip too, btw tell me who was the #4 behind JR and how many points did he average in his best season
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Uh, yeah, you did miss when Mo won a chip: 2016.
Mo Williams is an NBA champion due to LeBron James
