Is Steph winning his fourth Finals putting Lebron Era to the back burner for the 00s

[Professor Emeritus]

Steph is arguably the most influential NBA player we've seen since Jordan. Only other person I could see a case for is AI
Man changed the way the entire league plays


He changed it for the worse. I can't bear to watch every single team chuck low percentage 3 point shots leading to massive blowouts cause they go cold every other game.
But he did change it. Not all influences are good influences unfortunately

This is casual history by fans. Steph is not the reason the league shoots more 3pts.


In 2014 the Rockets led the league with 2179 3pt attempts. Steph and the Warriors were back in 6th place.

In 2015 the Rockets set a new record with 2680 3pt attempts, the first team to shoot 30+ threes a game (nearly 33/game). Warriors were in 4th.

In 2016 the Warriors and Rockets were neck-and-neck, with Warriors edging them out 31.6 threes/game to 30.9.

2017 the Rockets blew the Warriors out of the water with over 40 threes/game, another record. Warriors were way back in 5th again.

2018 the Rockets broke their own record averaging 42 threes/game. Warriors were all the way back in SIXTEENTH place, yet won the title.

2019 the Rockets hit a new level with 45 threes/game. Bucks had 38, Hawks and Mavs 37, Nets 36....Warriors all the way back in 8th place.



Steph was the face for casuals because he's so good. But NBA teams weren't copying Steph, no one could copy Steph because they don't shoot like Steph. And the Warriors don't spam threes like that, they've only been top-3 in 3pt attempts once in Steph's entire tenure. NBA teams shoot more threes due to analytics, and if they're copying anyone they're copying the #1 analytics team - the Houston Rockets. That's why their offenses look like Houston's offense, they don't look like Golden State's offense.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Using outliers to justify the norm is not standard

ARod won league MVP on an under 500 team. Baseball is different

I'm waiting for you to tell me how football and soccer are different too, you don't want to acknowledge that Jim Brown and Maradona exist. I even gave examples from basketball, but you don't want to acknowledge that Wilt, Baylor, or West were considered by many to be the GOATs at their position until the 1980s.



"In no other sport can someone have a losing record in the title series and still be considered the GOAT....except for baseball, football, soccer, and basketball. But those are outlier sports."

 

[Peruvian Connect]

Is this some sort of jinx? It's still the conference finals, right??


ALSO, Bron is 38 years old. His legacy been cemented before the bubble title. At worst he's top 5. The Bron era existed. That man went to 8 straight finals. Ain't nothing Curry doing affecting that. Everything Steph is doing reflects on Steph climbing up the charts. Steph is only chasing Magic at this point.

SOHH. Steph is better than Bronze right? 4-2 > 4-7. Plus 3 of those wins were aginst LeBronze

This is casual history by fans. Steph is not the reason the league shoots more 3pts.


In 2014 the Rockets led the league with 2179 3pt attempts. Steph and the Warriors were back in 6th place.

In 2015 the Rockets set a new record with 2680 3pt attempts, the first team to shoot 30+ threes a game (nearly 33/game). Warriors were in 4th.

In 2016 the Warriors and Rockets were neck-and-neck, with Warriors edging them out 31.6 threes/game to 30.9.

2017 the Rockets blew the Warriors out of the water with over 40 threes/game, another record. Warriors were way back in 5th again.

2018 the Rockets broke their own record averaging 42 threes/game. Warriors were all the way back in SIXTEENTH place, yet won the title.

2019 the Rockets hit a new level with 45 threes/game. Bucks had 38, Hawks and Mavs 37, Nets 36....Warriors all the way back in 8th place.



Steph was the face for casuals because he's so good. But NBA teams weren't copying Steph, no one could copy Steph because they don't shoot like Steph. And the Warriors don't spam threes like that, they've only been top-3 in 3pt attempts once in Steph's entire tenure. NBA teams shoot more threes due to analytics, and if they're copying anyone they're copying the #1 analytics team - the Houston Rockets. That's why their offenses look like Houston's offense, they don't look like Golden State's offense.

Pretend everybody was taking "bad" three point shyts before Curry. Steph Curry made taking "buzzer beater" attempts into legit shots. He revolutionized the game. LeBronze has not,

 

[Rekkapryde]

I'm waiting for you to tell me how football and soccer are different too, you don't want to acknowledge that Jim Brown and Maradona exist. I even gave examples from basketball, but you don't want to acknowledge that Wilt, Baylor, or West were considered by many to be the GOATs at their position until the 1980s.



"In no other sport can someone have a losing record in the title series and still be considered the GOAT....except for baseball, football, soccer, and basketball. But those are outlier sports."

Football - Brady, Rice, Montana, Jim Brown are GOAT level athletes. None are under 500 in their championships.

Pele got like 3 world cups right?

Born supposed to be the GOAT but we out here not even making the playoffs in 3/4 seasons with my LWO?And y'all shyt on the bubble ring


fukk it, Curry gets 4.... he greater than Bron. An agenda is Born.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Football - Brady, Rice, Montana, Jim Brown are GOAT level athletes. None are under 500 in their championships.

Pele got like 3 world cups right?

Born supposed to be the GOAT but we out here not even making the playoffs in 3/4 seasons with my LWO?And y'all shyt on the bubble ring


fukk it, Curry gets 4.... he greater than Bron. An agenda is Born.

Jim Brown doesn't have a single Super Bowl title dumbass.

Maradona and Pele are always the GOAT debate and Maradona only has 1 World Cup title in 4 tries.

Wilt was considered by many to be the GOAT until Kareem peaked (hell, some people still put him as GOAT today) and he's 2-4 in the Finals. Jerry West was the GOAT guard until Magic and he was 1-9 in the Finals. Elgin Baylor was the GOAT forward until Bird and he's 0-8 in the Finals.

Ted Williams was the GOAT hitter but never won a World Series. Some say Willie Mays surpassed him but he was 1-2 in World Series. Then many people put Bonds at the top but he lost in his only World Series appearance. Roger Clemons is thought by many to be the GOAT pitcher yet he has a losing record in World Series too.

You want to go to Olympics? Do you want to know how many sports have had a GOAT at some point who lost more gold medal events than they won?


Your claim was ass. There have been GOATs in every sport who have a losing record in the title series. You're just admitting that you don't know jack shyt about sports history.

 

[Ozymandeas]

Kobe stans dapping this bs when Duncan got the same amount of championships and more finals MVPs and yet nobody calls the 2000s his era

No three peats though. Or even repeats. Or even repeat appearances. He didn’t do that until the last ring. It’s hard to feel like you defined an era and you weren’t going back to back. Even Kobe, Bron and Steph did that.

 

[Rekkapryde]

Jim Brown doesn't have a single Super Bowl title dumbass.

Maradona and Pele are always the GOAT debate and Maradona only has 1 World Cup title in 4 tries.

Wilt was considered by many to be the GOAT until Kareem peaked (hell, some people still put him as GOAT today) and he's 2-4 in the Finals. Jerry West was the GOAT guard until Magic and he was 1-9 in the Finals. Elgin Baylor was the GOAT forward until Bird and he's 0-8 in the Finals.

Ted Williams was the GOAT hitter but never won a World Series. Some say Willie Mays surpassed him but he was 1-2 in World Series. Then many people put Bonds at the top but he lost in his only World Series appearance. Roger Clemons is thought by many to be the GOAT pitcher yet he has a losing record in World Series too.

You want to go to Olympics? Do you want to know how many sports have had a GOAT at some point who lost more gold medal events than they won?


Your claim was ass. There have been GOATs in every sport who have a losing record in the title series. You're just admitting that you don't know jack shyt about sports history.

Jim has an NFL Championship. He played pre-merger.

Again, you keep going to baseball where it's a stat driven sport.

Chef > Born if he win this year.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

No three peats though. Or even repeats. Or even repeat appearances. He didn’t do that until the last ring. It’s hard to feel like you defined an era and you weren’t going back to back. Even Kobe, Bron and Steph did that.

If you have to literally invent a new criteria out of thin air, then it's probably a stupid criteria. Bird never repeated and no one ever mentions that. Kareem didn't repeat until his final title when he was a 40yo role player and NO ONE said, "Hey look, Kareem finally repeated, now we can call him the GOAT." Magic hadn't repeated until his final title either and no one held it against him.

I mean it would be less embarrassing if y'all just admitted that you stan who you want without any criteria rather than making up these moronic criteria on the spot.

Duncan won titles in 1999, 2003, 2005, 2007, and 2014......but if that 2003 title was in 2006 instead THEN he would be great. That's what makes all the difference, right?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Jim has an NFL Championship. He played pre-merger.

If you're counting that then why are you ignoring the two NFL Championship games he lost?


This is Jim Brown's ENTIRE playoff record:

1957: Got a bye into the NFL championship, then lost 59-14
1958: Lost the Division championship 10-0
1964: Won NFL Championship 27-0
1965: Got a bye into NFL championship, then lost 23-12

That's it. For his career he's 1-3 in the playoffs, 1-2 in the title game. You claimed he didn't have a losing record in the title game, you LIED.

Jim Brown, your self-admitted GOAT, has a losing record in the title game and lost by double-digits in every playoff game he ever played except for one.


And you're still ignoring Maradona, Wilt, West, Baylor, Williams, Mays, Bonds, and Clemons.

You were wrong in literally every major sport. Just give up.

 

[Trojan 24]

I've been sleeping on it, just off the strength that Steph got Wiggins looking like a competent player you gotta consider him as the GOAT of his generation

 

[Gotright]

You've got Legroupies laughing at KD and Giannis when they really need to be worried about Steph possibly winning another chip in Lebron's era.

That will be yet another one of Bron's peers who has more finals wins than losses in the "Lebron James era"

Narrative could easily become that Lebron's era was really the Steph Curry era and that Bron was a passenger in it.

Y’all want it to be that way so bad lol

 

[Koli_Kat]

I've been sleeping on it, just off the strength that Steph got Wiggins looking like a competent player you gotta consider him as the GOAT of his generation

Gary Payton || was gunna be the fukkin camera man for the warriors and became a decent player for the warriors before injury

Stephs gravity is

 

[GPBear]

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[KidJSoul]

This is casual history by fans. Steph is not the reason the league shoots more 3pts.


In 2014 the Rockets led the league with 2179 3pt attempts. Steph and the Warriors were back in 6th place.

In 2015 the Rockets set a new record with 2680 3pt attempts, the first team to shoot 30+ threes a game (nearly 33/game). Warriors were in 4th.

In 2016 the Warriors and Rockets were neck-and-neck, with Warriors edging them out 31.6 threes/game to 30.9.

2017 the Rockets blew the Warriors out of the water with over 40 threes/game, another record. Warriors were way back in 5th again.

2018 the Rockets broke their own record averaging 42 threes/game. Warriors were all the way back in SIXTEENTH place, yet won the title.

2019 the Rockets hit a new level with 45 threes/game. Bucks had 38, Hawks and Mavs 37, Nets 36....Warriors all the way back in 8th place.



Steph was the face for casuals because he's so good. But NBA teams weren't copying Steph, no one could copy Steph because they don't shoot like Steph. And the Warriors don't spam threes like that, they've only been top-3 in 3pt attempts once in Steph's entire tenure. NBA teams shoot more threes due to analytics, and if they're copying anyone they're copying the #1 analytics team - the Houston Rockets. That's why their offenses look like Houston's offense, they don't look like Golden State's offense.

That doesn't mean Curry hadn't had an impact

Breh I remember in 2009, Dwight Howard and the Magic used to be criticized for fastbreak threes.


Lebron's deep stepback threes were seen as a novelty.

I remember "live by the three die by the three" was commonly accepted.

Steph is the reason why it's normal to see guys pull up from the logo. Why it's normal for literally everyone to pull up and shoot the three off the dribble instead of just dudes having the hot hand. He showed you could acutally win a chip with a 3pt shooting guard as your best player. He normalized shyt that was frowned upon.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

That doesn't mean Curry hadn't had an impact

Breh I remember in 2009, Dwight Howard and the Magic used to be criticized for fastbreak threes.


Lebron's deep stepback threes were seen as a novelty.

I remember "live by the three die by the three" was commonly accepted.

All that shyt is true but it was changing before Curry had jack shyt to do with it and the main changes were for reasons that had nothing to do with Curry.

You can see 3pt attempts were increasing constantly, and if anything the big movement where they started jumping up in a new way came from 2012 to 2013. Curry averaged 14.7ppg in 2012 so it makes zero sense to credit him with inspiring that jump, if anything Curry was the benefactor of the move to more 3pt shooting, he went from shooting 4.7 three-point attempts a game each of his first three seasons to 7.7 three-pointers a game in 2013, the exact same moment the NBA in general took the leap.

What made 2013 different? Teams started pushing analytics super heavy and devaluing the midrange in favor of the 3pt. Houston led the way. THAT was the difference more than Curry was.

Steph is the reason why it's normal to see guys pull up from the logo. Why it's normal for literally everyone to pull up and shoot the three off the dribble instead of just dudes having the hot hand.

Curry's the greatest 3pt shooter in NBA history, why would inferior shooters start taking pull-up threes just because the GOAT was doing it? That's like if other players started dunking from the free throw line cause Wilt did it or making chase-down blocks cause Bron did it.

Having a non-GOAT take crazy three-point shots wasn't from copying Curry. It was from copying guys like Dame, Harden, PG13, who were nowhere near the shooters that Curry was yet were shooting 500+ threes in a season at the exact same time Curry was ramping it up.

He showed you could acutally win a chip with a 3pt shooting guard as your best player. He normalized shyt that was frowned upon.

What year did he show that?

The chart shows that 3pt attempts started ramping up like crazy in 2013, two years before Steph ever won a chip.

The Warriors did win the chip in 2015....when the Cavs hung with them for 6 games despite looking like a M.A.S.H. unit and Steph underperformed so badly that he didn't get a single Finals MVP vote. You think THAT season changed the NBA perception of shooters? Or did it just look like a fluke that they only won cause everyone else got hurt?

Warriors weren't even a top-three 3pta squad that season:

Rockets 32.7 threes/game
Cavaliers 27.5 threes/game
Blazers 27.2 threes/game
Warriors 27.0 threes/game


So did 2016 prove that a 3pt-shooting team could win....even though they blew a 3-1 lead? Or was it 2017, when they got Durant, dropped out of the top-5 in three-point shooting, and dominated easily?

Curry was the face of the movement to fans, but for actual NBA teams analytics was driving that shyt, not Curry, and Houston was the face of the analytics change, not the Warriors. Warriors always stayed MUCH more committed to the mid-range game and a balanced offense than teams like the Rockets, Cavs, Mavs, etc. did.