Is Steph winning his fourth Finals putting Lebron Era to the back burner for the 00s
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Yes you can.
Because you can be a great player vs a better team.
if warriors do win tho, it will just cement whats already been a widespread title for this era as the "Lebron/Warriors" era
2 entities with the most rings and most finals appearances out of anyone of this era.
Bron as a individual, and warriors as a team with Curry being the most recognizable given he is the head of the snake
2 entities with the most rings and most finals appearances out of anyone of this era.
Bron as a individual, and warriors as a team with Curry being the most recognizable given he is the head of the snake
Ozymandeas
Veteran
No you can't.
Brady saw people saying he'd never be better than Montana. He didn't cry. Instead he won seven rings and came back from 28-3 in the Superbowl.
Montana who?
Bron can't do that because he's a fraud. So yall resort to writing PhD dissertations on the internet like that's gonna change anything
Why is it impossible for you to understand that a properly constructed team of players who are good, are capable of beating a less-optimally constructed team even if that team has a supremely gifted superstar? And that a team loss doesn’t reflect individual greatness.No you can't.
Brady saw people saying he'd never be better than Montana. He didn't cry. Instead he won seven rings and came back from 28-3 in the Superbowl.
Montana who?
Bron can't do that because he's a fraud. So yall resort to writing PhD dissertations on the internet like that's gonna change anything
I feel like this is the fundamental core concept of what a team is.
In no other sport do we make someone the GOAT with a losing record in the chip or chip series
Why are we moving the goalposts for Bron
I'll clarify and repeat something I've said MANY TIMES in the past.In no other sport do we make someone the GOAT with a losing record in the chip or chip series
Why are we moving the goalposts for Bron
I don't care for ranking players anymore. Lebron, MJ, Kareem...it doesn't matter. There is no GOAT in my mind. They're all just great players that we enjoy watching.
That said, if someone wants to have a GOAT debate, it's something that I feel should be argued on the value and skill of the player. I don't even know how much more simple I can explain this. It would be like if you had a HS track squad of good runners against a team of Usain Bolt and 3 people from your local McDonalds. The HS team is going to win every time. But Usain Bolt is still the best of all those runners. This is an exaggerated example but I don't know how else I can beat this simple concept into the minds of people on the coli.
I'm not arguing for Lebron or MJ or anyone to be the GOAT. Who cares? Why are people so invested in insisting X-player over Y-player? But if people are going to do this, lay out the ground rules and metrics that make the most sense for this argument. But that never happens on this board. Goalposts are shifted all the time and people create 1 set of bars that Lebron must jump over when being compared to MJ. But then there's a different set of bars that Kareem or Curry or Magic or Wilt or Russell or whoever else must have to jump over to be compared to MJ. It's lame. It's just lame.
filial_piety
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Nah, that's rewriting the narrative and its too late for that. Lebron's situation can't be paralleled to anyone elses by something as simple as age. So, It's easy to hide a lie between two truths, and it's disingenuous to apply the "he's too old so no one really expected anything form him narrative" principle to Lebron--as if there weren't expectations from the day that he walked onto the Lakers.Is this some "hope it into being" shyt or something?
No one's legacy has ever been impacted by shyt they did at 38-39-40 years old. Shaq was a walking L after 35 with only 1 playoff series win in his final 5 seasons and no one dropped him in the all-time rankings at all. Kobe turned 32 in August 2010 and then proceeded to win just 2 playoff series total in his final 6 seasons.....still was ranked just as high all-time when he retired as he was when he won that 2nd Finals MVP. Bird won his last title at 29. Magic won his last title at 28. Both of them were still (along with Kareem) in the conversation for GOAT when they retired.
No one is expected to look like a GOAT past 35yo. No one is expected to keep carrying inferior teams to amazing performances when they're already been in the league for 15+ years. Anything you do at that point is icing on the cake - unless you get caught cheating or some shyt, you can only add to your legacy. Bron could average 10ppg in the postseason next year and get wiped out 4-1 by his biggest rival (which is what Wilt was doing at 36), and he wouldn't drop a single spot.
When MJ left the Bulls and only later to return to the Wizards, or when Shaq left the Lakers and the heat only to go to Phoenix, the Cavs or the Celts--Yes, everyone considered them too old with too much of a talent deficit to really expect much of anything from them...
But let's be real...that wasn't the expectation with Lebron James. Every team that he has been on was explicitly designed for him to be the center piece at making a championship run.
Once he had proven that he could continue to be a franchise player and play at an elite level past the age of 33, and was still able to make any team of his choosing into a contender for a title, he was judged differently...Sorry, that's just the way it is.
So he is going to be judged today just as he was 10 years ago. If you're able to be a top 5 MVP candidate year after year, a FMVP in the twilight of your NBA career in addition to leading a team to an NBA finals, IN ADDITION to being perennial all-star and All-NBA teamer...you are going to be judged differently when you you're unable to meet the high expectations of being seen as the GOAT...just as you are praised when you meet or surpass those very expectations.
Like I said, the experts and analysts have continued with the GOAT debate for atleast 5 years now and it was largely contingent on Lebron "ring chasing" his way to 6 or more NBA titles. And that's ONLY because he was till able to compete at such an elite level...but imo it seems as if that argument has lost some steam over the last year or two only because of what has happened over the last 2 seasons. Now he can resurrect that argument if the Lakers can win it all atleast once or twice more (sorry...those are the expectations
) but anything outside of that is going to take away from his legacy imo....people will remember the end of Lebron's career unlike MJs or Shaqs and they will discuss it when it's all said and done.
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You've got Legroupies laughing at KD and Giannis when they really need to be worried about Steph possibly winning another chip in Lebron's era.
That will be yet another one of Bron's peers who has more finals wins than losses in the "Lebron James era"
Narrative could easily become that Lebron's era was really the Steph Curry era and that Bron was a passenger in it.
That will be yet another one of Bron's peers who has more finals wins than losses in the "Lebron James era"
Narrative could easily become that Lebron's era was really the Steph Curry era and that Bron was a passenger in it.
So Steph's rings are tainted because he teamed with KD?
Yet if Bron had won 3 straight with K-Love and Kyrie with the cavs or won a couple of rings with AD and Kawhi (his original LA plan) they wouldn't be tainted and he would still be the GOAT right?
Legroupies y'all
SadimirPutin
Superstar
They are about to twist themself into pretzel knots logically
And its always funny...the comparison for all of these Coli favorites is always the boy from Akron so I am not sure how THEY think his legacy is going away
They literally cant go 4 threads without his name popping up....
And they always come looking for the same circlejerk daps like insecure fakkits
Breh that was 4 years ago and he already fulfilled those expectations by winning a title with the Lakers.
Five years ago there were numerous posters saying he'd never win another title. And joining a Lakers team led by Kyle Kuzma didn't suddenly make that look any more likely. So in many ways he surpassed the expectations that most of y'all had back when he was 33-34.
He's turning 38 this year. You look like some sort of clown putting new expectations on him that no 38yo in history has ever been subject to.
filial_piety
Banned
Breh that was 4 years ago and he already fulfilled those expectations by winning a title with the Lakers.
Five years ago there were numerous posters saying he'd never win another title. And joining a Lakers team led by Kyle Kuzma didn't suddenly make that look any more likely. So in many ways he surpassed the expectations that most of y'all had back when he was 33-34.
He's turning 38 this year. You look like some sort of clown putting new expectations on him that no 38yo in history has ever been subject to.
hey if you say so...I think people (inlcuding the Lakers) have been expecting more...like I explained earlier...Lebron's at 37 and MJ at 37 are being judged differently...right or wrong, people expect Bron to achieve at this point because he's still capable of playing at an elite level...if he produces, he gets the credit...if he doesn't he will get called out on it...either way, his later years will be seen differently