Is Rey a Mary Sue? (Star Wars related)

[Devilinurear]

Fine if you wanna play that game. Luke didn't start off god level at everything. Got his ass handed to him till the very end when Vader had to save his ass from being killed. We also had an entire movie dedicated to luke training with yoda, and he still wasnt anywhere near the level ray is from the start.

As of right now, Rey is the most powerful person in the galaxy. Kylo is not even close to her level, but I'm suppose to believe he's a real threat? The only reason kylo isn't dead right now is cause rey feels sorry for him.

But you agree his attachment to Ben and using the force after a day is silly right?

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

You guys need to stop replying tot he troll. He’s the equivalent of the WOAT runner up in higher learning in the sense that he clearly doesn’t believe what he’s posting but still does it to derail a thread.

 

[Devilinurear]

You're proving my point by switching the argument. The force shouldn't make you unbeatable but it has in her case. unless you consider it plot armor or the Mary sue armor.

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It is plot armor because this story has tons of flaws but she is not a perfect character you see her using the force makes her perfect. I don't think her being nice in the force makes her a Mary sue because she is self hating, impulsive and head strong much like Luke before her. Her not being related to luke got people calling her a Mary sue but her flaws are still there. But hey if you see her as a Mary sue let's agree to disagree on this one.

 

[Devilinurear]

You guys need to stop replying tot he troll. He’s the equivalent of the WOAT runner up in higher learning in the sense that he clearly doesn’t believe what he’s posting but still does it to derail a thread.

Damn this new generation is soft. So if I disagree with you I am a troll.


You don't know what a troll is.

 

[Neuromancer]

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It is plot armor because this story has tons of flaws but she is not a perfect character you see her using the force makes her perfect. I don't think her being nice in the force makes her a Mary sue because she is self hating, impulsive and head strong much like Luke before her. Her not being related to luke got people calling her a Mary sue but her flaws are still there. But hey if you see her as a Mary sue let's agree to disagree on this one.

Then we can. Since You're never gonna explain how she bests people better trained than her in lightsaber duels then we will have to.

 

[Mic-Nificent]

Luke didn't beat a sith Lord straight up. or Jedi mind trick someone, he blew up a giant death weapon that they had plans for. Plans people die to obtain. He knew where to shoot, he had shot smaller things before. what he didn't do was best a trained sword fighter after having just learned to use a sword. it took him 3 movies to be anywhere near as good as Rey and cost him a hand and two mentors.

Rey didn't just learn hand to hand combat. She had been on Jakku for years and clearly knew how to handle herself in a fight with that staff. Luke had no previous combat training and was blocking blasts from a training droid without being able to see it within a day.

Rey being able to fly the Falcon like a pro without having flown before is BS, but the fighting stuff makes sense.

 

[5n0man]

But you agree his attachment to Ben and using the force after a day is silly right?

No cause even when he was using the force, he wasn't aware of what he was doing, nor could he control it. Same with anakin, they were subconsciously using the force in dire situations.

Rey finds out she's force sensitive and she's using Jedi mind tricks right out the gate. Complete control over the force in a day, no training.

Kylo stopping bolts in thin air, but that ain't shyt to this junk collector that found out about the force yesterday.

 

[5n0man]

but the fighting stuff makes sense.

no the fukk it doesnt.


She was on jakku fighting bums and peasants with a stick so now she's a better fighter than a sith lord trained by luke and snokes?

Takes on a group of elite guards trained to deal with people like her and wins, even when those guards are about to kill that sith lord, she saves his ass.

Her only experience is fighting hobos and garbage diggers.

 

[Neuromancer]

Rey didn't just learn hand to hand combat. She had been on Jakku for years and clearly knew how to handle herself in a fight with that staff. Luke had no previous combat training and was blocking blasts from a training droid without being able to see it within a day.

Rey being able to fly the Falcon like a pro without having flown before is BS, but the fighting stuff makes sense.

Luke was getting hit by the lasers when he had the helmet on.

 

[Devilinurear]

Then we can. Since You're never gonna explain how she bests people better trained than her in lightsaber duels then we will have to.

If her being nice in force is the only reason you think she she is a Mary sue ignoring her personal loses and overlooking her flaws then you have to expand what you consider a win.

 

[Devilinurear]

No cause even when he was using the force, he wasn't aware of what he was doing, nor could he control it. Same with anakin, they were subconsciously using the force in dire situations.

Rey finds out she's force sensitive and she's using Jedi mind tricks right out the gate. Complete control over the force in a day, no training.

Kylo stopping bolts in thin air, but that ain't shyt to this junk collector that found out about the force yesterday.

Didn't she use the mind trick in a dire situation?
But him being attached to Ben is silly right?

 

[Mic-Nificent]

Luke was getting hit by the lasers when he had the helmet on.

He got hit ONCE when he first put it on, then Obi Wan told him to use his feelings and he blocked every laser after that....again, he was doing that after just a few hours of training (if that).

It's also worth noting that during that same scene Obi Wan mentions that the force controls them even if they can also control the force at times. I think yall are glossing over the fact the Force works through people to allow them to do and see things throughout the series. That's why they're always on that "The force has led me here" bullshyt.

 

[5n0man]

Didn't she use the mind trick in a dire situation?
But him being attached to Ben is silly right?

She knew exactly how to use Jedi mind tricks just because she recalled hearing about it before. She had no prior training.

That's not the same as luke and anakin having heighten senses in a dire situation, which is how the force has been shown to work for people with no training.

Keep trolling like you don't know the difference tho.

 

[Neuromancer]

If her being nice in force is the only reason you think she she is a Mary sue ignoring her personal loses and overlooking her flaws then you have to expand what you consider a win.

Defeating everyone you've ever faced in combat.

 

[Neuromancer]

He got hit ONCE when he first put it on, then Obi Wan told him to use his feelings and he blocked every laser after that....again, he was doing that after just a few hours of training (if that).

It's also worth noting that during that same scene Obi Wan mentions that the force controls them even if they can also control the force at times. I think yall are glossing over the fact the Force works through people to allow them to do and see things throughout the series. That's why they're always on that "The force has led me here" bullshyt.

None of that helped Luke not get his hand cut off. Or Anakin either.