Is Rey a Mary Sue? (Star Wars related)

[Neuromancer]

So women can't be space ninjas?

Ashoka Tano did well. Oh wait she was trained and we saw that training play out. She earned her victories as one does in a story told well. Funny How you keep showing how little you know.

 

[Devilinurear]

Ashoka Tano did well. Oh wait she was trained and we saw that training play out. Funny How you keep showing how little you know.

Yeah just watched the movies. Why are you saying that like it is an insult?

 

[Neuromancer]

Yeah just watched the movies. Why are you saying that like it is an insult?

You're debating about a character for God knows what reason but somehow can't seem to bring any facts backing your claim. Everyone you compared Rey to has worked for what they got. Yet you keep pretending she did too.

 

[Megadeus]

I've didn't see the 2nd movie but is she really a clone?

..........no

 

[Devilinurear]

You're debating about a character for God knows what reason but somehow can't seem to bring any facts backing your claim. Everyone you compared Rey to has worked for what they got. Yet you keep pretending she did too.

Bull shyt and you know it.
The very nature of the force being born special means you don't have to work for it.
And you called ray a Mary sue I said she is not and from your view she is a Mary sue because she great in force when from a narrative perspective through all of these movies being good in the force means Jack shyt.
Yoda was great in the force and could not stop the collapse of the republic.
Ben was great in the force and could not stop his friend from turning evil
Ankin was great with the force and could not stop his wife from Dying.
Palpatine was great in the force but had to use political manipulation to become emperor.
Fine when it comes to the force she is great but when had being great in the force benefit anybody through these 8 movies.

 

[5n0man]

A Mary Sue is an idealized and seemingly perfect fictional character. Often, this character is recognized as an author insert or wish fulfillment.[1] They can usually perform better at tasks than should be possible given the amount of training or experience.

This definition describes ray perfectly


She literally an expert at everything she does without any kind of training.

Hmm because she is good in force y'all think she is a Mary sue but what about her flaws? Do you think she has none because as a character she does.

She not just good in the force, she's a master swordman besting elite guards trained to kill jedi(she even had to save kylo during the fight and he's been trained by luke and snoke), master level pilot who can fly any ship regardless if she ever seen the type of ship. What exactly are her losses? Cause it looks like everyone around her takes losses but her.

 

[Devilinurear]

This definition describes ray perfectly


She literally an expert at everything she does without any kind of training.

She not just good in the force, she's a master swordman besting elite guards trained to kill jedi(she even had to save kylo during the fight and he's been trained by luke and snoke), master level pilot who can fly any ship regardless if she ever seen the type of ship. What exactly are her losses? Cause it looks like everyone around her takes losses but her.

There loses are hers. She failed to save her friends. Failed to save han. She even failed to get trained. But she is nice in force so in a couple of years she can become a hermit like all the nice jedi before her.

 

[5n0man]

There loses are hers. She failed to save her friends. Failed to save han. She even failed to get trained. But she is nice in force so in a couple of years she can become a hermit like all the nice jedi before her.

Some random people you just met, dying, is not an L



She didn't need to get trained, theres nothing for her to learn since she's already a master of everything.

The fact that you can't name a single loss she took herself, is proof that she's a Mary sue. Ray don't take losses apparently.

Didn't she beat luke in a dual?


I'm just waiting for them to explain how she can use both sides of the force. Why not? Might as well make her completely overpowered.

 

[Neuromancer]

Bull shyt and you know it.
The very nature of the force being born special means you don't have to work for it.
And you called ray a Mary sue I said she is not and from your view she is a Mary sue because she great in force when from a narrative perspective through all of these movies being good in the force means Jack shyt.
Yoda was great in the force and could not stop the collapse of the republic.
Ben was great in the force and could not stop his friend from turning evil
Ankin was great with the force and could not stop his wife from Dying.
Palpatine was great in the force but had to use political manipulation to become emperor.
Fine when it comes to the force she is great but when had being great in the force benefit anybody through these 8 movies.

She hasn't lost a fukking fight. Luke and Ani lost hands. When did I say the force made you unbeatable. I clearly am saying it doesn't except for her. Who has never lost a fight. Luke at least had to Train with Ben and Yoda before he could even stand in his father's shadow and he got his ass kicked . Ani trained until he was almost 20 and got his ass kicked by Dooku. There are also supplemental stories for both Ani and Luke expanding on their training. Rey did Jack shyt and beat a dude trained by a Grand master. We're we watching the same franchise?

 

[Devilinurear]

Some random people you just met, dying, is not an L



She didn't need to get trained, theres nothing for her to learn since she's already a master of everything.

The fact that you can't name a single loss she took herself, is proof that she's a Mary sue. Ray don't take losses apparently.

Didn't she beat luke in a dual?


I'm just waiting for them to explain how she can use both sides of the force. Why not? Might as well make her completely overpowered.

When luke loss Ben that wasn't an l was well.
Lol
I agree with you on that then.

 

[Neuromancer]

When luke loss Ben that wasn't an l was well.
Lol
I agree with you on that then.

For Ben yes.

 

[Devilinurear]

She hasn't lost a fukking fight. Luke and Ani lost hands. When did I say the force made you unbeatable. I clearly am saying it doesn't except for her. Who has never lost a fight. Luke at least had to Train with Ben and Yoda before he could even stand in his father's shadow and he got his ass kicked . Ani trained until he was almost 20 and got his ass kicked by Dooku. There are also supplemental stories for both Ani and Luke expanding on their training. Rey did Jack shyt and beat a dude trained by a Grand master. We're we watching the same franchise?

Yeah and being good in force helped the jedi how.

I admit she is good in the force but through 8 movies what does that do? What wins did being a force user acomphish I can only see one.

 

[YakSpiller]

I've didn't see the 2nd movie but is she really a clone?

Well, not for sure just a theory.

Spoiler

In the movie she has a vision of her parents but it's just shadows of herself or some shyt. Then Kylo tells her that her parents were drunks who sold her for parts...or some shyt.

Why I think she is a clone?

Spoiler

They emphasize her hand a lot in both movies...also did we ever get a answer to what happened to Luke's hand in movie-canon?
I think they made her...who's they? It kind of would make sense since Luke never was with a love interest.

my guess is...

Spoiler

The Empire might have got the hand tried to make a whole bunch of Anakins out of Luke's hand but they weren't dark enough so they killed them off. Maybe somebody saved Rey to preserve the Anakin/Luke genes, dropped her off to those drunks who bailed on her when the FO slid thru....I don't know

Or

Spoiler

She was made intentionally and Kylo cant let her know she is a Jedi Master clone who can basically do everything. That's why he lied to her, if she knew she was a Skywalker she would be pumped up and go in and end this.

 

[5n0man]

When luke loss Ben that wasn't an l was well.
Lol
I agree with you on that then.

Fine if you wanna play that game. Luke didn't start off god level at everything. Got his ass handed to him till the very end when Vader had to save his ass from being killed. We also had an entire movie dedicated to luke training with yoda, and he still wasnt anywhere near the level ray is from the start.

As of right now, Rey is the most powerful person in the galaxy. Kylo is not even close to her level, but I'm suppose to believe he's a real threat? The only reason kylo isn't dead right now is cause rey feels sorry for him.

 

[Neuromancer]

Yeah and being good in force helped the jedi how.

I admit she is good in the force but through 8 movies what does that do? What wins did being a force user acomphish I can only see one.

You're proving my point by switching the argument. The force shouldn't make you unbeatable but it has in her case. unless you consider it plot armor or the Mary sue armor.