Is Reparations A Possibility? @Black Panther Asks Legal Expert Ken Feinberg

[DEAD7]

you're so stuck on this idea that we're so dumb we're going to blow all of our money on strippers and weed.

No.
Through the economic channels of this country whites will reclaim much of the payout. You have to be completely drunk on that black separatism moonshine to not realize this.
Our economy is centrally planned and controlled by cacs. You cannot open a business or invest in this country without a cac getting a slice.

short term thinking negroes


They already prepping UBI as either the reparations package or a way of mitigating whatever economic advantage a payout might give.





That said, giving poor people cash does not stop them from being poor.
I’m gonna let you chew on that.

 

[Pressure]

The majority of Americans don't want to give you cash for reparations.

It's not going to happen until that is true. No amount of emotional rhetoric will change that.

 

[rapbeats]

No.
Through the economic channels of this country whites will reclaim much of the payout. You have to be completely drunk on that black separatism moonshine to not realize this.
Our economy is centrally planned and controlled by cacs. You cannot open a business or invest in this country without a cac getting a slice.

short term thinking negroes


They already prepping UBI as either the reparations package or a way of mitigating whatever economic advantage a payout might give.





That said, giving poor people cash does not stop them from being poor.
I’m gonna let you chew on that.

wrong again. You care about tax exemptions because you have or had a business. most people black or other do not own or ever will own businesses. so even doing that solid will only hit on certain people in that sector. sure we can scale out those effects if we choose but that goes for anything. In addition, i told you if you aint making much on your day job what the hell will tax exemption do for you. you already got Foe Kids and no husband, claiming head of the household with your ailing aging mama living with you. You are getting back as much as you possibly can already. if could file exempt . you wouldnt get much difference back overall. because you dont make anything and due to your circumstances/situation you're already getting a tax exempt status more or less.

i see the failures in a tax exempt status. YET i'm not saying NO TAX EXEMPT status like you're saying no Cash. you know why? because I know, and aint scared to say they owe us BOTH.Therefore, I will ask for both.

Oh by the way, since you're so anti cash payouts because we will blow them. If you get tax exemptions on your business and tax exemptions on your job for those that make decent money. You do realize you will have more what? Cash... on hand. so then you might blow that at the strip club and on rims and jordans. personally I could care less. not my issue. my issue is with getting paid what i'm owed. PERIOD.

What happens when you have a failing business. that exemption goes to waste. What happens when you're not working, That Tax exemption goes to waste.

This is why you need Cash payments TOO.


You need the cash to start the businesses if you originally had horrible credit therefore you can't get a decent loan even if they were willing to give you one.

 

[rapbeats]

obviously i dont participate in this convo too much, but i think that the idea of exemption from taxes, income, land, etc, is a really good idea

it takes away so much ammo from the opposition because there's zero "handout" involved with tax exemption. the only money that's "given" is earned yourself, it doesnt come from anyone else. all these whiny fakkits you see talking about "why should i pay, i didnt own slaves" or "but my irish ancestors were slaves too" just don't have an argument when they aren't giving you anything. and when you take it to politicians, they dont have to find it in the budget or anything like that...they just have to write it off, which this fukkin country has perfected to a fine science

thats all well and good. but the problem is, you are calling REPARATIONS a hand out. How the hell do you change the definition of word to mean whatever you feel like it means?

Thats the problem with Racist people. They do that stuff just to stop from admitting and doing whats right. Sorry, they can spin anything, tax exemptions included to state "handout" when it pertains to black people.

GIMME my MONEY that you owe me. I want my cash, I want my exemptions from taxes, school fees, etc. I want all of what you owe me. I dont care about your feelings. It's not about feelings, its about paying what you owe.

when is the last time the bill collector ever asked you about how you felt about how they phrased "X Amt is DUE"

They dont try to get cute. they say Cac mamba you OWE X amt. Pay up by this due date or else you will be subject to late fees/penalties.

Reparation
- the making of amends for wrong or injury done:reparation for an injustice.
Usually reparations. compensation in money, material, labor, etc., payable by a defeated country to another country or to an individual for loss suffered during or as a result of war.
- restoration to good condition.

Nothing about that word = hand out. PERIOD. You did something to me financially, physically, mentally, land wise, education wise, etc. Therefore, you owe me for those atrocities. time to pay your bill.

And the black people that call it a handout is just brainwashed by white daddy. it happens, we're all victims that just show it in different ways.

 

[rapbeats]

The majority of Americans don't want to give you cash for reparations.

It's not going to happen until that is true. No amount of emotional rhetoric will change that.

loser short sighted mentality. The majority of americans didnt want you drinking at their water fountains or going to their schools. look at us now. with your mentality we would not have seen that progress. because you can't make progress looking at what a white supermacist thinks and using that as "well he/she wont go for that." he she wont go for anything if you go back far enough.

Some of yall, if i pulled your history I would see yall swearing reparations at all was never going to happen. but low and behold there are REAL conversations about it with actual potentional presidents and congress people. In addition, i just showed what Georgetown did and is thinking about doing in regards to reparations.

What i'm saying is this. if we took your approach we would always be afraid to ask for what we are owed and what's fair/ethical/right. That is why you cant take that defeatist approach. You have to tell people that owe you something that they owe you something and tell them how much. once you do that, its on them to do the right thing...or not.

 

[the cac mamba]

thats all well and good. but the problem is, you are calling REPARATIONS a hand out. How the hell do you change the definition of word to mean whatever you feel like it means?

Thats the problem with Racist people. They do that stuff just to stop from admitting and doing whats right. Sorry, they can spin anything, tax exemptions included to state "handout" when it pertains to black people.

GIMME my MONEY that you owe me. I want my cash, I want my exemptions from taxes, school fees, etc. I want all of what you owe me. I dont care about your feelings. It's not about feelings, its about paying what you owe.

when is the last time the bill collector ever asked you about how you felt about how they phrased "X Amt is DUE"

They dont try to get cute. they say Cac mamba you OWE X amt. Pay up by this due date or else you will be subject to late fees/penalties.



Nothing about that word = hand out. PERIOD. You did something to me financially, physically, mentally, land wise, education wise, etc. Therefore, you owe me for those atrocities. time to pay your bill.

And the black people that call it a handout is just brainwashed by white daddy. it happens, we're all victims that just show it in different ways.

you're right i guess that was a bad way of wording the difference between a cut check and keeping your own money

fact is though, i dont see cut checks happening unless you take it by force these dems talking about "exploratory committees" are just bullshytting

 

[Pressure]

loser short sighted mentality. The majority of americans didnt want you drinking at their water fountains or going to their schools. look at us now. with your mentality we would not have seen that progress. because you can't make progress looking at what a white supermacist thinks and using that as "well he/she wont go for that." he she wont go for anything if you go back far enough.

Some of yall, if i pulled your history I would see yall swearing reparations at all was never going to happen. but low and behold there are REAL conversations about it with actual potentional presidents and congress people. In addition, i just showed what Georgetown did and is thinking about doing in regards to reparations.

What i'm saying is this. if we took your approach we would always be afraid to ask for what we are owed and what's fair/ethical/right. That is why you cant take that defeatist approach. You have to tell people that owe you something that they owe you something and tell them how much. once you do that, its on them to do the right thing...or not.

You're banking on white people finding a sense of guilt and then proactively giving money to you based on that guilt.

I'm telling you the premise itself is faulty.

Whites didn't want black people sitting at their tables, riding on busses, nor drinking from those water fountains.

In all of these cases I can show examples of blacks sitting at those tables, riding those busses, and drinking from those water fountains.

I've at no point seen the same level of civil disobedience required for change from the most vocal of the reparations crowd.

Until you're ready to bleed and die over reparations you're wasting everyone's time.

 

[Black Panther]

these dems talking about "exploratory committees" are just bullshytting

It's a start. It's something, rather than ignoring the issue.

I'd argue that co-signing tweets from Ann Coulter and Newt Gingrich, like some of the ADOS crowd here on the Coli have done, is even less than unhelpful. :mjlolhairfade:

 

[Secure Da Bag]

What happens when you have a failing business. that exemption goes to waste. What happens when you're not working, That Tax exemption goes to waste.

This is why you need Cash payments TOO.

This is a and point.

But @DEAD7 's point about wealth redistribution back to the people who gave to you in the 1st place is a very real thing and shouldn't be ignored.

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

In cases like this if you don't convince people on the moral reasoning then you'll never even get a chance to make the legal argument. That is key. The legal/logistical mechanism is much easier.

They had a debate on this question in early 2000s with Christopher Hitchens (who I otherwise can't stand) making the pro reparations argument. He makes a very good point in this clip.

 

[rapbeats]

This is a and point.

But @DEAD7 's point about wealth redistribution back to the people who gave to you in the 1st place is a very real thing and shouldn't be ignored.

actually it should be ignored you know why. we live in america, where blacks make up less than 20% of the population and own a very very small portion of the local businesses and dont own any portion of the very large business that aint involving entertainment. this means. guess where our money is going to go REGARDLESS of cash payments or not? you will still shop at costco, walmart, ralphs, kroger, target, TJ maxx, Macys, Sears, etc, etc. You will still eat at fast food spots that are not owned by us, you will still order pizza on fridays when dominoes, pizza hut, papa johns is not owned by us. You will still go get gas at arco, shell, etc that is not owned by us. You will go get your brand new car at the next ford dealership, that is not owned by us. What will happen is if they gave us everything we deserved. we would either have part ownership in some of these large/small companies cause we should. or we will have enough cash, exemptions (taxes, education, etc.) to the point where we could start building up our own businesses small and large. You dont build walmart in a day. that takes decades to pull off. yes we will finally be able to have more local stuff close by. and the more local stuff owned by us close by we will be able to STAY in the hood when we choose to eat out, grocery shop, etc. But until that is the case Country wide, the rest of us will be stuck at target getting our toilet paper, shower gel, and paper towels. it is what it is. until its something different. different takes a lot of time. reparations will not fix everything. reparations and a lot of time will fix a lot though.

You want a solid argument that has always won even with civil rights. Its called Green/Money. if you give me cash in hand not just exemptions or other stuff that aint cash. I will promise you that X number of black dollars will flow right back into the economy and in the hands of some black, a lot of asian, a lot of hispanic, a lot of jewish, a lot of non jewish white folks hands. thats the reality of it. and we know its true. that is an excellent way to sell it. Look. you pay me my money and I will have money to spend. now payday loans will be dead. sorry. a lot of check cashing places will go extinct. basically us paying an extra tax for being broke in the hood will be gone because we have money now. but that money has to be spent some where. and right now black folks dont have the infrastructure to hold all that money to themselves. they just dont. so that means X amt of dollars has to go into the hands of OTHERS. its just math. at least for a good 50 or so years. its going to take a long time even with reps to basically do what we see other communities doing as a group. Even once we get our businesses popping, where do you think we are going to get our bulk items from or wholesale items? Asians(they have it on lock), whites(they've been at this for 100's of years), some latins depending on the sector.

Now maybe we could link up with our african brothers and sistas across the pond and moves some products back and forth. again another nice talking point to keep them from hating so hard on an ADOS movement. it will financially help them too.because i promise you there are tons of us that would love to do REAL big business with them but we dont have the access to capital we would need to make a dent. the tourism over there will blow up as well. a lot of people would have enough money to finally say forget it and just head on out to the motherland and never come back.

 

[rapbeats]

you're right i guess that was a bad way of wording the difference between a cut check and keeping your own money

fact is though, i dont see cut checks happening unless you take it by force these dems talking about "exploratory committees" are just bullshytting

they can bs all they want. the movement is moving. aint nothing stopping that movement. It has never in my life time been this mainstream. that means something.

 

[xoxodede]

You're banking on white people finding a sense of guilt and then proactively giving money to you based on that guilt.

I'm telling you the premise itself is faulty.

Whites didn't want black people sitting at their tables, riding on busses, nor drinking from those water fountains.

In all of these cases I can show examples of blacks sitting at those tables, riding those busses, and drinking from those water fountains.

I've at no point seen the same level of civil disobedience required for change from the most vocal of the reparations crowd.

Until you're ready to bleed and die over reparations you're wasting everyone's time.

Do you feel the same way about Caribbean and African reparations or no?

 

[xoxodede]

The majority of Americans don't want to give you cash for reparations.

It's not going to happen until that is true. No amount of emotional rhetoric will change that.

The majority of Americans didn't want us to have Civil Rights nor-- our ancestors emancipated from their enslavement either. No amount of trying to act like what the majority of Americans care about or want matters in reparations. It's not about them.

 

[xoxodede]

thats all well and good. but the problem is, you are calling REPARATIONS a hand out. How the hell do you change the definition of word to mean whatever you feel like it means?

Thats the problem with Racist people. They do that stuff just to stop from admitting and doing whats right. Sorry, they can spin anything, tax exemptions included to state "handout" when it pertains to black people.

GIMME my MONEY that you owe me. I want my cash, I want my exemptions from taxes, school fees, etc. I want all of what you owe me. I dont care about your feelings. It's not about feelings, its about paying what you owe.

when is the last time the bill collector ever asked you about how you felt about how they phrased "X Amt is DUE"

They dont try to get cute. they say Cac mamba you OWE X amt. Pay up by this due date or else you will be subject to late fees/penalties.



Nothing about that word = hand out. PERIOD. You did something to me financially, physically, mentally, land wise, education wise, etc. Therefore, you owe me for those atrocities. time to pay your bill.

And the black people that call it a handout is just brainwashed by white daddy. it happens, we're all victims that just show it in different ways.

I wouldn't waste my time. It's a lot of uneducated and uninformed responses in here. Who cares about what they think -- and it's not even worth debating or trying to explain to them. They literally are a non-factor.

Every Black American (ADOS) can be traced. We have many ancestors and most of us have enslaved ancestors on both sides. Most if not all will be found and can be found and traced. If you haven't - please do your family tree. Visit FamilySearch.org -- and start there -- it's free.

Plus, this isn't just about our enslaved ancestors -- it's about their children who were sharecroppers -- in fukked up sharecropping agreements, land grabs, white terrorism, pig laws, black codes, convict leasing, on and on and on....