Is Mike Evans A HOF Player?

[BucciMane]

1000 yards has always been a "magical" number though...

Yes, it's been a "magical" milestone number, but how much does that milestone matter now? I value peak and prime more than "sustained longevity". I look at Mike Evans as a better Frank Gore in terms of the career they've had. Mike Evans has consistently been "one of" the best at his position, but the question is, is that top 10, top 5, top 3?

 

[KidJSoul]

It has nothing to do with gatekeeping. There are those like me that think the HOF should be for the most ELITE (peak and prime are more valuable than sustained longevity), and then there are those that believe someone who has had "very good" seasons for a long period should get in.

Mike Evans is an excellent player. He may get in one day, but I don't think he's been elite enough over the course of his career to get in. People keep mentioning the 1,000 yard seasons as if this is some magical number nowadays. What happens if we ask how many 1,400 yard seasons a player has had? That's certainly more "elite" than 1,000 yard seasons.

Having a bunch of 1000 yard seasons has always been a requisite

Again Isaac Bruce is in that bytch

Michael Irvin has 6 1000 yd seasons and 65 receiving touchdowns

Tim Brown only has 1 Second-Team all-pro

Mike Evans is doing something only Jerry Rice has done.


He might not be first ballot but he's HOF eligible

 

[Justise M]

will Larry Fitzgerald be in the HOF, if so Mike Evans should be too

 

[FS4LFE]

Evans is easily a HOF. Was he ever the undisputed best? No but he’s been consistently top 5 at worse for the last decade.

If he played for the Cowboys Giants or 49ers or Steelers this wouldn’t be a question.

 

[FS4LFE]

Which of these WR's should Mike Evans make it in over? I'm saying "over" because some have had to wait and we have people in here saying Evans is a first ballot HOF lock.

I'm not saying I'd put all of these players in over him, but who are you DEFINITELY taking Mike Evans over for the HOF?

Andre Johnson
Steve Smith
Reggie Wayne
Ochocinco
Tory H
Wes Welker
Brandon Marshall
Julio Jones
Antonio Brown
DeAndre Hopkins
Tyreek Hill
Devante Adams

The only player I’m taking is AB and Hill. He has the stats and consistency. Again he plays for the Bucs so that definitely plays a part in it.

 

[BucciMane]

Having a bunch of 1000 yard seasons has always been a requisite

Again Isaac Bruce is in that bytch

Michael Irvin has 6 1000 yd seasons and 65 receiving touchdowns

Tim Brown only has 1 Second-Team all-pro

Mike Evans is doing something only Jerry Rice has done.


He might not be first ballot but he's HOF eligible

The game has changed as well.

Bruce is similar to Mike Evans to me. Just because he got is doesn't mean Evans needs too.

Tim Brown has one second team all-pro like Mike Evans. How many 1,300+ yard seasons does Evans have in comparison though, instead of using 1,000 yards as the barometer?


If Mike Evans gets in, I don't think it's criminal, but I don't think he should get in (as of now), and there is NO WAY he is a first ballot HOF player like some in here have been saying.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[Shadow King]

Yes, it's been a "magical" milestone number, but how much does that milestone matter now? I value peak and prime more than "sustained longevity". I look at Mike Evans as a better Frank Gore in terms of the career they've had. Mike Evans has consistently been "one of" the best at his position, but the question is, is that top 10, top 5, top 3?

It matters because it's still difficult to do over and over and over.

Frank Gore is a HOFer, so the "better" version relative to position is absolutely a HOF. To have a prime you need longevity as most players have a pre-prime ramp-up and post-prime decline. The exception is someone like Odell who was a superstar immediately then fell off quickly. RBs are the exception but even then most Famers at the position have some degree of longevity.

Sustained longevity has value when you're Top 10 for most of all of that period, and yes Evans has been Top 10 for the majority of his career. If Mike was in his 14/15th year with these total yes that's different.

Again, 10 seasons of 1K is second only to Jerry. No one with more TDs lacks a gold jacket, Larry is waiting to be eligible.

Nobody's arguing Mike as a first ballot but that's the issue this board has, everything is first ballot or nothing. When Mike retires with 15K and 120 TDs it's going to look silly for him to be locked out.

He'll just wait due to lack of selective honors (All-Pro and Pro Bowls).

 

[Shadow King]

The only player I’m taking is AB and Hill. He has the stats and consistency. Again he plays for the Bucs so that definitely plays a part in it.

Nah there's more than those 2 but it doesn't mean he doesn't belong.

 

[BucciMane]

It matters because it's still difficult to do over and over and over.

Frank Gore is a HOFer, so the "better" version relative to position is absolutely a HOF. To have a prime you need longevity as most players have a pre-prime ramp-up and post-prime decline. The exception is someone like Odell who was a superstar immediately then fell off quickly. RBs are the exception but even then most Famers at the position have some degree of longevity.

Sustained longevity has value when you're Top 10 for most of all of that period, and yes Evans has been Top 10 for the majority of his career. If Mike was in his 14/15th year with these total yes that's different.

Again, 10 seasons of 1K is second only to Jerry. No one with more TDs lacks a gold jacket, Larry is waiting to be eligible.

Nobody's arguing Mike as a first ballot but that's the issue this board has, everything is first ballot or nothing. When Mike retires with 15K and 120 TDs it's going to look silly for him to be locked out.

He'll just wait due to lack of selective honors (All-Pro and Pro Bowls).

We'll have to disagree because I don't believe Frank Gore should be in the HOF either..

I'm not saying the 1,000 yard receiving seasons are easy to do, but if you are never thought of as one of the very few best at your position for at least a three year period, I don't think you should be getting in. He'll have the career numbers, but he wasn't as ELITE as others during their prime and peak. With the HOF, that should matter more than compiling a lot of stats over the course of a career. And, when I say compiling a lot of stats, I don't think Mike Evans is the typical case of an average player that compiles numbers. He has been an EXCELLENT player, but I don't believe he's at the HOF level.

Frank Gore should not get in. I don't care that he's third in career rushing yards. That's great he played for a long time, but I can name at least ten HB's that were better than him during his career. Many lasted far shorter than he did, but if you can name ten players better at your own position during the time you played, you shouldn't be getting in.



Edit: You seem to put a higher value on the length of career with very good numbers than I do. I value peak and prime more. Just a difference of opinion.

 

[Shadow King]

Which of these WR's should Mike Evans make it in over? I'm saying "over" because some have had to wait and we have people in here saying Evans is a first ballot HOF lock.

I'm not saying I'd put all of these players in over him, but who are you DEFINITELY taking Mike Evans over for the HOF?

Andre Johnson
Steve Smith
Reggie Wayne
Ochocinco
Tory H
Wes Welker
Brandon Marshall
Julio Jones
Antonio Brown
DeAndre Hopkins
Tyreek Hill
Devante Adams

The bolded are clearly over him, though Julio is his antithesis for having a bunch of yards with no TDs. But he as individual honors.

The italicized are in his level/have arguments.

Marshall and Welker don't have arguments. Marshall's has some big seasons but never seeing a playoff game hurts him greatly. Welker was extremely reliable but not dominant and lacked longevity.

 

[Shadow King]

We'll have to disagree because I don't believe Frank Gore should be in the HOF either..

I'm not saying the 1,000 yard receiving seasons are easy to do, but if you are never thought of as one of the very few best at your position for at least a three year period, I don't think you should be getting in. He'll have the career numbers, but he wasn't as ELITE as others during their prime and peak. With the HOF, that should matter more than compiling a lot of stats over the course of a career. And, when I say compiling a lot of stats, I don't think Mike Evans is the typical case of an average player that compiles numbers. He has been an EXCELLENT player, but I don't believe he's at the HOF level.

Frank Gore should not get in. I don't care that he's third in career rushing yards. That's great he played for a long time, but I can name at least ten HB's that were better than him during his career. Many lasted far shorter than he did, but if you can name ten players better at your own position during the time you played, you shouldn't be getting in.



Edit: You seem to put a higher value on the length of career with very good numbers than I do. I value peak and prime more. Just a difference of opinion.

He was elite though. Top 10 out of 120-150 receivers at any given time is elite.

There's nothing wrong with valuing peak and prime. I value peak and prime. But when your "EXCELLENT" longevity and consistency is essentially in a class of its own you're a HOF. We aren't talking about 20 years of 500 yards and 5 TDs.

Gore and Evans will be in. The NFL will look silly locking out the #3 rusher of all-time. 15K and 120 at receiver in 13/14 seasons will be a HOF and will remain difficult to accrue moving forward between defenses catching up to offense, more balanced offense due to TEs and RB emerging as legit #2/3 catching options, and sports culture now protecting players from braving through injuries and being unnecessary ironmen.

 

[AlbertPullhoez]

Why people acting like Mike just a numbers compiler and not an elite WR?

Dude has been a top 3-5 WR his whole career, he's going to the HOF as soon as he's done

 

[Turk]

Mike is a Hall of Famer, no doubt. The only question is if he'll be first ballot.

 

[WhoShotCha]

I don't understand why this thread is 9 pages. He has the consistency, the stats, the hardware, no character issues, etc. nikkas try to create a dialogue about anything.

 

[premier58]

Having a bunch of 1000 yard seasons has always been a requisite

Again Isaac Bruce is in that bytch

Michael Irvin has 6 1000 yd seasons and 65 receiving touchdowns

Tim Brown only has 1 Second-Team all-pro

Mike Evans is doing something only Jerry Rice has done.


He might not be first ballot but he's HOF eligible

Youre one of my favorite posters, but comparing Irvins numbers to the numbers of Evans, is bullshyt.