You dont think Welker was dominant??
Is Mike Evans A HOF Player?
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I have very specifically said I don't believe he's just a numbers compiler. I say he has had sustained longevity, while playing at a high level. The question is, has he played at a HOF level? I said if he gets in, I don't think it's horrible, but I just don't believe he's a HOF WR.
You're saying he's been a top 3-5 his entire career. That's what I disagree with. When I am listing "Not top 3-5" below, that is STRICTLY based on receiving yards. And, on quite a few of those, the range would get close to not top 5-15. I know the argument is going to be he doesn't need to be top 3-5 every season as some of those in the top 3-5 during those years had shorter primes, but I don't see how you are saying top 3-5 for his entire career.
2014: Not top 3-5.
2015: Not top 3-5.
2016: Top 3-5.
2017: Not top 3-5.
2018: Top 3-5 numbers wise.
2019: Not top 3-5.
2020: Not top 3-5.
2021: Not top 3-5.
2022: Not top 3-5.
2023: Not top 3-5
And, going back to the 1,000 milestone that many keep talking about. Here's how many WR's hit it each of these seasons:
2014: 23
2015: 26
2016: 25
2017: 15 (He was 15th and had 1,001 yards)
2018: 21
2019: 29
2020: 18 (He was 18th with 1,006 yards)
2021: 26
2022: 22
2023: 17 and counting
Mentioning these 1,000 yard seasons is just some arbitrary metric. Why don't we make it 1,400 yard seasons and see where the elite players stand? That's a LOT of players hitting 1,000 yards.
At the end of the day, I would take Mike Evans on the Patriots in a heartbeat. An excellent player for his entire career. Not a HOF player though.
Edit: Not even trying to be hard on Evans. I said I don't think it would be horrible if he made it. I think this thread shows it's a legitimate discussion.........
Anyways, end of the day, I think it's a good discussion, and at least this hasn't turned into a cesspool like NBA comparison threads.
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See this is the problem.
You're downplaying it because you think any receiver can go get 1000 yards. 1000 yards is not arbitrary, it's a solid, round number that stands as notable for a reason, and will continue to stand as general receiver talent improves and all skill positions being capable of catching the ball suppresses the need to force feed the classic #1 WR all the time.
The 2010s was the most offensive era we've had, so somebody has to get 1000 yards with a modern QB throwing.
Out of these ~20~ receivers any give year, how many maintained that benchmark for 5 consecutive seasons, half of Mike's career-starting? In fact, how many of them achieved the benchmark 5 times for a career?
And half of his career he had a man who was throwing the ball towards moving colors.
Yes.
Usually, I look at two things for the HOF: 1. Can you tell the story of the game without the player and 2. Was there ever a period of 3-5 years where this player could say he was the best at his position?
I can't say for sure if Evans would clear #2, but at his current level of production he should clear 900+ catches, 13-14K yards and 100 TDs. Also, I find that people gloss over how much CONSISTENCY actually factors into someone's GREATNESS. 10 years of consistent top-level production -- factoring in injuries, personnel changes, schemes and so on -- may be more impressive than say... Davante Adams over that span.
Coupled with the fact that he's accomplishing things that only Jerry Rice can say he's done. He's going. He may not go first ballot, but he's absolutely going and deservedly so.
Usually, I look at two things for the HOF: 1. Can you tell the story of the game without the player and 2. Was there ever a period of 3-5 years where this player could say he was the best at his position?
I can't say for sure if Evans would clear #2, but at his current level of production he should clear 900+ catches, 13-14K yards and 100 TDs. Also, I find that people gloss over how much CONSISTENCY actually factors into someone's GREATNESS. 10 years of consistent top-level production -- factoring in injuries, personnel changes, schemes and so on -- may be more impressive than say... Davante Adams over that span.
Coupled with the fact that he's accomplishing things that only Jerry Rice can say he's done. He's going. He may not go first ballot, but he's absolutely going and deservedly so.
This is what I've been trying to convey. It's plenty of receivers who was the man for 3 years as a peak and average for 8, and if we use "primes" then you have to have longevity to have a prime.
Everyone looked at Odell and Michael Thomas to finish Top 5. Now look...
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What the hell even happened to Michael Thomas, mans was eating off them 3 yd routes Brees was force feeding him
How come breh
I know that Irv got injured at times and that his stats were suppressed due to having Emmit Smith
I'm not trying to shyt on Irv, I'm just using him to show that Evans's numbers are fine
Meh its still possible for the simple fact he won a superbowl with brady lolHow's it useless? I think he will likely get in, but he's had ONE All-Pro season. He's never been one of the three best at his position.
He's absolutely not making it first ballot, that's for sure.
Some of you are clueless on HOF voting..
Andre Reed made it
So Mike will make it like his 3rd time
So Mike will make it like his 3rd time
Because they were drafted 26 years apart. Thats like me comparing Roger Staubach stats to Brett Favre. The game has changed far too much in that time. Also Irvin blew his knee out as a rookie, so it too him like 2 years to get back to what he was. He also had a suspension in 96 which cost him six games, I believe. Then he was hurt with his career ending neck injury in 99. So for all intents and purposes, Mike really only played 6 or 7 full seasons.
Can't stay on the field and is 30 now.
Stafford will likely be a HOF, the Detroit stigma hurt him but he made the consensus on him questionable in Year 1 of getting away.
Ryan is a HOF.
