hiphopfanatic
Pro
Just because he thinks it's not that serious if gays wants to get married doesn't make him gay. I think homo shyt is disgusting. But, I'm not going to stop them if they want to marry.
Is Jay Gay?
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Mansur Brown - "Heiwa"
So you rather we legislate emotions and feelings? Forcing someone to like someone is pretty much tantamount to having them be hated. That is why there cannot be an open dialogue about race and homosexuality because soon as someone states how they truly feel they are classified as racist and/or homophobic. I advocate speaking your mind , long as you are not injuring/hurting gay people etc.
Cakes Randolph
Rookie
They are coming out and saying what they want. They want to be recognized by the states when it comes to their partnership. If you are a gay couple and your longtime partner is sick, they can stop you from being in the hospital because you aren't family. If you die with no will, there is nothing recognizing you are the partner. Meaning they are shyt out of luck. That is the things they want, they aren't fighting to be liked, they are fighting to be treated like human beings. They are also fighting for situations where gays get beat up on because of their sexual preference it is automatically a sex crime, that is the type of things our President is speaking for.
As far as your last sentence, I don't know how you act but if you give gays a hard time and don't want to be called a homophobe or chastised for it, then you are being a hypocrite if someone gave you a hard time based on your skin color and you called them out. Because, that is their right according to your stance. The hiding stance really is a weak point by the way, there are plenty of gays who are feminine or masculine (depending on sex) and they are treated poorly based on those natural traits they have.
Cakes Randolph
Rookie
It's not about liking them, the issue is what rights they have. Its not about legislating emotion and feelings, its recognizing that as a couple they deserve to have the same rights as any other couple. Jay for example was comparing it to the 70's where interracial couples were unable to be married. That is why it is comparable. You can never force someone to like you or respect you, but you can fight for equal rights.
Rebel Soldier
He’s good
It's that simple really.
ThisComparing gay rights to civil rights..
There is nothing more infuriating than seeing somebody trying to compare the two. Being able to get married is nothing compared to what black were unable to attain without the civil rights movement. Absolutely nothing. How can someone black even say that knowing all the shyt we as a people had to put up with?
at anybody trying to correlate the two. fukk Jay Z
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Mansur Brown - "Heiwa"
1) Having an opinion that goes against or is not in full line the gay code is considered homophobic in America. Tell me why i cannot say "thats gay" if one of my homies does some goofy thing , why is that considered insensitive. First off the word gay means happy, but somehow homosexuals have cornered the market on using that word and given it a higher meaning.
2) Yes but why are you comparing race and sex? why is your preference to sleep with men the same as my struggle as a black man in a country that historically has not and will not accept me for my skin color. Blacks wanted the right to vote and use water fountains , eat at restaurants , have a decent way off life and get good schools. . Gays want the right to get married and have the benefits of straight couples. I've never seen a gay only water fountain or gay only school. So again why are you comparing the two?
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Mansur Brown - "Heiwa"
Cool. I am all for that. Please give them equal rights. But unless your a gay male/female you are not speaking for the gay majority who for some reason not only want these rights but want to immune from criticism/jokes/ and liked/respected for their choice to sleep with men.
Gays don't experience 7 percent of what the blacks experienced in during civil rights.Your either white or gay.
Cakes Randolph
Rookie
No the gays are fighting for that, there are plenty of gay people who do want to be liked and respected, that is an entirely different issue. That is the issue that our President and Jay are speaking up for. It's good not to confuse the two, that is my point. I'm not saying you have to like homosexual and honestly I hate any kind of political correctness where someone is put under fire because they don't like a certain group. For instance if an artist speaks out against something you have strong feelings for, it is your right to not support the artist any more. But you shouldn't rally against them and try to get others to boycott and destroy them. I'm not for that shyt. For example Lupe said our country along with our President are terrorist. That shyt isn't cool for me, I don't support his music or listen but I don't make a huge deal out of it( not like I could I have no power or pull) I just don't support. That is my point when the President Obama and Jay spoke up for gay rights they were talking them being able to be married, and that is why it was being compared to civil right issues, where in the 70's interracial couples were unable to marry. That is where the issue lies, and the issue they are speaking on.
Homosexuals should not have to hide who they are and spend their lives living in fear. Hiding who they are, suppressing their innermost desires and selves, SHOULD NOT be an option. That's the whole point. Let them be open about it. It doesn't effect me or you in any adverse way.
Obviously, Jay's comparison has both merits and flaws.
Cakes Randolph
Rookie
I would love to see your statistics behind this, it would make a great read and could really help continue this intelligent conversation which is all I am trying to have. Don't get it confused and feel that I am taking away from the blacks struggled, when I say we shouldn't ignore the gays struggle. I would never try to do that, all I am trying to do is say lets not pretend the shyt can't be compared, its not about who has it worse. For instance one could argue how bad the Indians had it, when they were already in the Americas and all they got was disease killed, and raped with everything uprooted and took away from them. Now that wouldn't take away from the struggles of other groups, now would it? I'm simply stating we shouldn't allow any type of unequally to be stood for, and instead of trying to compare who had it the worst we should fight for equality.
Cakes Randolph
Rookie
Obama Thinks Defense of Marriage Act Is a 'Bad Idea' (CORRECTED)
I think this help clarifies what President Obama was saying, and what Jay was saying as well when he said President Obama did the right thing.
I think this help clarifies what President Obama was saying, and what Jay was saying as well when he said President Obama did the right thing.
What do you want him to say? 'fukk them digusting fakkits 
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Dude isn't trying to get picketed and get a whole bunch of negative press/sales for something that he 99% thinks the opposite of in private. Dude is just a cornball and plays himself and who he really is for the bigger picture.
' Dude isn't trying to get picketed and get a whole bunch of negative press/sales for something that he 99% thinks the opposite of in private. Dude is just a cornball and plays himself and who he really is for the bigger picture.
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Mansur Brown - "Heiwa"
Notice how i am saying give them these rights immediately. If you want to compare the civil rights issues lets remember that lives were lost MLK, Malcolm X etc, maad blood was shed and it did not happen overnight. Rallies and revolts were staged just so a black person can get a fraction of what is deserved to them as human beings.
I am being far more understanding with the homosexual plight than anyone else was during the civil rights era were with blacks. But please for the sake of everyone stop comparing the two events. It is not fair to those who died and those who fought for rights/opportunites that kids like me have.