Is Derrick Henry the best RB you ever seen?

[premier58]

Clinton Portis had a 1500 yard year in 2008, but he was damn near cooked the second half of that season and was done after.

Excellent point. Its so many like that. Jamal Anderson, Larry Johnson etc .

 

[premier58]

Brotha…The Top 100: NFL's Greatest Players - Wikipedia

He’s 70th on the list.

Oh my bad. I fukked up, big time on that one. I will take the L on that. LT ranked higher. My pojt stands that he didnt make an All Decade Team.

 

[premier58]

And multiple years averaging 5.5 yds a carry too. Sse, I can cherry pick stats too..what are we doing here man?

Name a so called elite RB with multiple seasons averaging low to mid 3's in yards per carry, in their prime? I will await your answer..

 

[premier58]

Faulk only once had 300 carries in a season. He wasn't used in the traditional "bell cow" sense. Really, ever. So you have to contextualize why he never eclipsed 1400 rushing yards...

You think that was by accident?!?!. They knew what he was and wasnt , built for. There is a reason why Iverson and Kobe took more shots than Paul Pierce.

Faulk's peak scrimmage season ('99) edges out Diet's peak scrimmage season ('03), so if you're going to compare them that's really the way to do it since Diet was in the Faulk archetype. You can't compare rushing yards to rushing yards simply because we understand Faulk wasn't used the same way...

Faulk was a big product of his offense. LT was putting up legendary seasons when the Chargers, stunk. Faulk goes from barely averaging 4.0 ypc to all of a sudden averaging comfortably over 5.0 ypc. You think thats a coincidence?

Diet only twice had 500 receiving yards. Faulk had five consecutive years with over 500 receiving yards. They were used differently, if you take away the receiving yards he would've been used more as a rusher and the rush yards go up. This is easy mathematics...

You cant just take away his receiving yards and give it to him in rushing. Thats not how it works.

Diet was a great player but watching his prime unfold literally directly after Faulk's, I not once felt I was watching a better football player. To me it's only debatable if you don't contextualize how differently they were used, and simply try to match rush yards to rush yards...

All these great RBs won rushing titles. Many of them, mulitiple. Thats the standard of a truly great RB. Faulk, never sniffed one.

Watching them play, and yes I thought Diet was exciting but Faulk was a different level of electric. Nothing Diet did really matched what Faulk was putting on the board in '99. Diet definitely didn't inspire those emotions in the playoffs...

You put LT on the Rams and they win at least 2 Superbowls, maybe 3 straight..better player, more dominant,.more imposing. LT had bad injury luck, but healthy, during his prime? I watched him run all over a great Belichick defense in the 2006 Divisional Playoffs. While Faulk, with wayyy better weapons around him, was neutralized in SB36

If you value running backs as strictly rushers or you're doing a pure statistical comp, then I concede this is close and someone csn favor Diet Faulk. Otherwise, I don't see it, Faulk is the absolute best receiving back ever, a dynamic playmaker who was the fulcrum of arguably the Greatest offense ever, engineered winning to a different scale than Diet because you had to account for him as more of a threat anywhere, in any formation...

Amazing WR, not this amazing runner. Also he benefitted from one of the weakest schedules in NFL history, in 99. He was important, but Warner was the key. How come as soon as Warner fell off and left, that was the end for the GSOT???!. You still had the centerpiece in Faulk, still had **** and Bruce. How come the great Marshall Faulk couldnt elevate Marc Bulger to greatness?? Because Warner was the man.

That was Faulk's true value. Any formation, any time, anywhere on the field. Diet Faulk came close. As I always say, guys I didn't see play, I have opinions but they can be influenced to a degree. My mind can't be changed on guys I saw...
I watched all this in real time, too. I think I started watching a little bit before you. Thats why we have diff perspectives. I saw Faulk being a good player who got overrated because of how many balls.he caught in Indy. I saw him getting elevated by revolutionary offense with incredible talent around him. I saw LT look like a man amongst boys fom 2002-2006. His one donw year in ypc(04) he had a groin injury
LaDainian Tomlinson was not a better football player than Marshall Faulk!

He is overrated 100%, it'll never sit right with me that people watched this guy's prime right after Faulk's ended, and think the diet version is better...

Any formation, anywhere, any time. That was Marshall Faulk...

Yes, LT was. LT made All Decade in one try, Faulk didnt make it in 2 tries. Top 100, LT 61, Faulk 70. My apology again to @Stinky Diver I spoke incorrectly about Faulk not making the top 100. I pride myself for being on point with my facts. I will take that L. My other point stands, LT is more revered and respected. He ranked higher.than Faulk

 

[premier58]

@murksiderock your use of Diet Faulk, is hilarious. I cannot deny that!! Although its bullshyt. You calling LT, Diet Faulk, its like someone calling Iron Mike Tyson, Diet Joe Frazier. The better version is not the "Diet" one. You are real big on research and accolades, so why did you ignore the fact that LT made an All Decade team, in one try(00's) While souped up Thurman Thomas, couldnt make an all decade team in two tries?(90's/00's). How is that not a big deal?? Top 100, LT ranked 9 spots ahead of Faulk.

 

[lib123]

Is Derrick Henry who people thought Ron Dayne was gonna be in the NFL?

 

[Regular_P]

Is Derrick Henry who people thought Ron Dayne was gonna be in the NFL?

Damn, that's a name I haven't heard in a while. I don't remember anyone thinking Dayne was gonna be a great pro.

 

[SpikeLee Cumbersmith]

No. I've seen The Juice, dikkey, Brown, Saunders etc. No he is not the best, but we need to pass legislation on that stuff arm!

 

[Conscious Pilot]

Nah, I’ve seen LT, AD, Faulk. Don’t think he has passed Shady and Marshawn yet, but a couple more years like this

Update: I recant this statement. King Henry an all timer.

 

[firemanBk]

Damn, that's a name I haven't heard in a while. I don't remember anyone thinking Dayne was gonna be a great pro.

Well he was taken in the first round so he was definitely expected to be good
He wasn't close to the specimen Henry is though

 

[Art Barr]

Actually.

The NFL. No fun league, is so disrespectful to its real goats.
Plus so racist based.
That they get no shine whatsoever. As well as the current players.

That I was surprised to see you guys prop anybody.
Or ask about player comparisons.

This thread was cool. As it felt like you guys were so happy to have an outlet. That I liked reading this thread.
Plus never felt like anyone was sohh disrespectful. That i had to chime in and put somebody throughed't it.


props on a great read.
This was what thecoli.com is about.
Good stuff.

Art Barr

 

[Regular_P]

Well he was taken in the first round so he was definitely expected to be good
He wasn't close to the specimen Henry is though

Yeah, but that was back when the best collegiate RBs always went early. I don't remember anyone claiming he was gonna be awesome in the NFL. He ran a 4.65 40 at the combine.

 

[lib123]

Damn, that's a name I haven't heard in a while. I don't remember anyone thinking Dayne was gonna be a great pro.

Really why not?

 

[Regular_P]

Really why not?

He was a man among boys in college and ran behind a great offensive line. That entire line wound up in the NFL. Dayne wasn't a burner either.

There was intrigue because he was the all-time leading rusher in college history but I don't recall great expectations on him in the pros.

 

[YoungSimpson]

Tomlinson was a great Regular Season RB. I'd take anybody else over him in playoffs.