Is Derrick Henry the best RB you ever seen?

[premier58]

For all you Faulk acolytes, answer me this. Why did he not make the All Decade team if he is as great as you say he is? He was eligible for the 90's and 2000's. Another one, the NFL released a top 100 players heading into the 2011 season. LT is 61, where is Faulk ranked? Nowhere!! He didnt make it!! Why is that??!!

 

[Regular_P]

I wouldnt hold that against him, because like you said, RBs fall of, suddenly. Case in point, Curtis Martin wins his first rushing title in 2004. 2005? He is bone on bone and forced to retire at the end of the year. Corey Dillon has a career yr in 04, the follwing year there was a big regression. We see how rapidly Shaun Alexander fell off.

That's fair and he had a massive workload during his career.

I still think he was a little overrated.

 

[JarrodG]

All day followed by LT

 

[IIVI]

LT started to get dinged up after his MVP year, but a large part in the lower rushing numbers was Norv Turner being the new coach/scheme and the offensive line being injured compared to the year before. At the end of the season it was that MCL injury in the Play-Offs and that was it.

Hilarious is that Rivers had the same exact numbers of throws the season before, but less completions and less yards.

 

[Stinky Diver]

Elite at running? No rushing titles, never rushed for 1400 yards in a season, multiple years of below 4.0 ypc. Bottoming out at 3.0 ypc. If he was the main cog, how come the GSOT fell off as soon as Warner got hurt? Faulk, Bruce and **** were still there. Why were they never a serious contender again? I always acknowledged his receiving abilities, but it causes most to overrate his "running ability". Being better all around doesnt make you better than someone. No one considered Roger Craig to better than ED? No one considered Thurman to be better than Barry or Emmitt. Who thought Ricky Watters was Earl Campbell? Or that Matt Forte was better than AD??!

And multiple years averaging 5.5 yds a carry too. Sse, I can cherry pick stats too..what are we doing here man?

 

[Stinky Diver]

For all you Faulk acolytes, answer me this. Why did he not make the All Decade team if he is as great as you say he is? He was eligible for the 90's and 2000's. Another one, the NFL released a top 100 players heading into the 2011 season. LT is 61, where is Faulk ranked? Nowhere!! He didnt make it!! Why is that??!!

Brotha…The Top 100: NFL's Greatest Players - Wikipedia

He’s 70th on the list.

 

[Kings County]

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Was excellent in his prime and peak, but not Derrick Henry level. He was electrifying though.

his 1 year was crazy
i remmeber it as a lil nikka
i aint saying he the best back ever im saying with my own eyes
he could take anything and be gone

 

[firemanBk]

People throwing out random ass names like Shaun Alexander and Edge lol
I'll bring one up for no reason too
Best short peak for a RB ever probably still Priest Holmes
7600+ total yards and 76 TDs in 54 games is absolutely absurd production and he was on his way to a 4th straight 1st Team All Pro before the spinal injury that basically ended his career

 

[NYC Rebel]

AD & Derrick Henry are the only two RBs in my lifetime I thought could go pro as a Freshman.

I nees to pull up the thread where heads argued with me saying Fournette at LSU was better.

 

[Stinky Diver]

People throwing out random ass names like Shaun Alexander and Edge lol
I'll bring one up for no reason too
Best short peak for a RB ever probably still Priest Holmes
7600+ total yards and 76 TDs in 54 games is absolutely absurd production and he was on his way to a 4th straight 1st Team All Pro before the spinal injury that basically ended his career

Shaun isn’t really that random…That nikka made the all decade team in 2010 lol..Which surprised me as well to be honest.

 

[Whips-n-Chains]

Barry

 

[b. woods]

The Top 100: NFL's Greatest Players - Wikipedia

Not one Saints player on the list

 

[mastermind]

I wouldnt hold that against him, because like you said, RBs fall of, suddenly. Case in point, Curtis Martin wins his first rushing title in 2004. 2005? He is bone on bone and forced to retire at the end of the year. Corey Dillon has a career yr in 04, the follwing year there was a big regression. We see how rapidly Shaun Alexander fell off.

Clinton Portis had a 1500 yard year in 2008, but he was damn near cooked the second half of that season and was done after.

 

[murksiderock]

@murksiderock you still disrespecting LT, I see. Calling him Diet Faulk, when he is better than Faulk. RB is such a loaded positions, that its hard to narrow it.down. i put Jim Brown in the Babe Ruth category. My list.
1. Barry Sanders
2. Adrian Peterson
3. LaDainan Tomlinson
4. Walter Payton
5. Eric dikkerson
6. Emmitt Smith
7. Earl Campbell
8. Derrick Henry
9. O.J. Simpaon
10. Marshall Faulk
Henry still has some time to ascend, obviously.

Faulk only once had 300 carries in a season. He wasn't used in the traditional "bell cow" sense. Really, ever. So you have to contextualize why he never eclipsed 1400 rushing yards...

Faulk's peak scrimmage season ('99) edges out Diet's peak scrimmage season ('03), so if you're going to compare them that's really the way to do it since Diet was in the Faulk archetype. You can't compare rushing yards to rushing yards simply because we understand Faulk wasn't used the same way...

Diet only twice had 500 receiving yards. Faulk had five consecutive years with over 500 receiving yards. They were used differently, if you take away the receiving yards he would've been used more as a rusher and the rush yards go up. This is easy mathematics...

Diet was a great player but watching his prime unfold literally directly after Faulk's, I not once felt I was watching a better football player. To me it's only debatable if you don't contextualize how differently they were used, and simply try to match rush yards to rush yards...

Watching them play, and yes I thought Diet was exciting but Faulk was a different level of electric. Nothing Diet did really matched what Faulk was putting on the board in '99. Diet definitely didn't inspire those emotions in the playoffs...

If you value running backs as strictly rushers or you're doing a pure statistical comp, then I concede this is close and someone csn favor Diet Faulk. Otherwise, I don't see it, Faulk is the absolute best receiving back ever, a dynamic playmaker who was the fulcrum of arguably the Greatest offense ever, engineered winning to a different scale than Diet because you had to account for him as more of a threat anywhere, in any formation...

That was Faulk's true value. Any formation, any time, anywhere on the field. Diet Faulk came close. As I always say, guys I didn't see play, I have opinions but they can be influenced to a degree. My mind can't be changed on guys I saw...

LaDainian Tomlinson was not a better football player than Marshall Faulk!

I still think Tomlinson was kinda overrated. Five seasons with a ypc under 4; three of those seasons were in his prime too.

He is overrated 100%, it'll never sit right with me that people watched this guy's prime right after Faulk's ended, and think the diet version is better...

Any formation, anywhere, any time. That was Marshall Faulk...

 

[premier58]

And multiple years averaging 5.5 yds a carry too. Sse, I can cherry pick stats too..what are we doing here man?

I aint cherry pick shyt! He didnt have great ypc averages until he got on a loaded offense. He avgd less than 4.0 ypc in his 5 years in Indy. Did he suddenly become a better runner in STL, or did he greatly benefit from his surroundings? The true greate dominate, no matter the situation. The Paytons, the Campbells, the dikkersons, the Simpsons etc .