Is Chance The Rapper the greatest industry plant of all time?

[TheRtist]

Are we really gonna play this game?

Serious hip hop fans hadn't even heard the name "Kendrick" till HiiPower came out

no, he just didnt have a legit buzz until HiiPower came out because HiiPower was produced by J. Cole. Kendrick was still on all the blogs before then. Hell, he was all over Jay Rock's music and Jay Rock was a XXL Freshman.

 

[Rembrandt]

It is not a paradigm shift. The labels are pushing a facade that is bad for your average artist.

The same reason Ebro wouldn't just tell this kid; you want your records to be played, you have to be signed to a major label.



Is the same reason Chance is pushed as "Indy."

He is not.

I've only heard chances music on the radio in Chicago. I heard no problems maybe once outside of it because he set up a campaign on his website that automatically sent requests to local stations.

That wouldn't be necessary if he was signed. At all.

His connections come from him having amazing management. CAA backing him is completely different from being signed to a label. Nobody is under the impression that it's him and his friends in one small house magically setting deals up.

 

[TheRtist]

I've only heard chances music on the radio in Chicago. I heard no problems maybe once outside of it because he set up a campaign on his website that automatically sent requests to local stations.

That wouldn't be necessary if he was signed. At all.

His connections come from him having amazing management

No Problems plays everywhere. Its not a legit hit, thats why he needs requests to make it that.

His amazing management is the same as a major record label if not better.

Thats like someone claiming indie because they are only signed to Roc Nation Management.

"Im 100% indie, Jay-Z is just my manager"

 

[Rembrandt]

No Problems plays everywhere. Its not a legit hit, thats why he needs requests to make it that.

His amazing management is the same as a major record label if not better.

Thats like someone claiming indie but are only signed to Roc Nation Management.

"Im 100% indie, Jay-Z is just my manager"

Do you even know what a manager does? You could probably find local artists around your city that have managers. Are they magically not independent because they're smart enough to have somebody handle the business side, especially when it comes to booking when venues prefer managers to contact them instead of artists and same for music websites?

Being independent is synonymous with being unsigned. Chance has no connection to a label. They have no influence or control over his recording process, rollouts, tracklisting or anything else.

 

[SirBiatch]

no, he just didnt have a legit buzz until HiiPower came out because HiiPower was produced by J. Cole. Kendrick was still on all the blogs before then. Hell, he was all over Jay Rock's music and Jay Rock was a XXL Freshman.

where are them receipts? surely you have links to all the blog coverage Kendrick got way before Section80

 

[Piff Perkins]

Define "much earlier". Correct me if I'm wrong, but that video was at most a year before Section 80 came out. Whereas Kendrick had gone several years in total obscurity.

The reality is that Dre's part was massive. No one heard about Kendrick till Section 80. and Dre showed up right before then. That's plant shyt.

This is literally not true. Overly Dedicated is what made Kendrick a name. Before that he was largely a Cali artist and TDE was bubbling locally. Dre "heard" of Kendrick after that and that's when the pics of them in the studio trickled out as Sec80 was made.

The reality is that Dre heard of Kendrick before Peter Rosenberg gave him his music. Kendrick was on Def Jam under a development deal. Hov had a shot at signing TDE but they passed. Kendrick was then on Interscope long before Sec80 came out, under another development deal. Once Overly Dedicated and Sec80 blew up Interscope wrote that check and the rest is history.

 

[SirBiatch]

This is literally not true. Overly Dedicated is what made Kendrick a name. Before that he was largely a Cali artist and TDE was bubbling locally. Dre "heard" of Kendrick after that and that's when the pics of them in the studio trickled out as Sec80 was made.

The reality is that Dre heard of Kendrick before Peter Rosenberg gave him his music. Kendrick was on Def Jam under a development deal. Hov had a shot at signing TDE but they passed. Kendrick was then on Interscope long before Sec80 came out, under another development deal. Once Overly Dedicated and Sec80 blew up Interscope wrote that check and the rest is history.

cool story. I need them receipts breh. Links that show blogs flipping out over Overly Dedicated and early Kendrick work

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

would be a strong case if acid rap wasn't the biggest mixtape of 2013

This mixtape actually had people paying $100 for it, and even bought it

 

[TheRtist]

Do you even know what a manager does? You could probably find local artists around your city that have managers. Are they magically not independent because they're smart enough to have somebody handle the business side, especially when it comes to booking when venues prefer managers to contact them instead of artists and same for music websites?

A mananger does whatever it takes for their artist to become successful. Jay-Z walked Rito Ora's song to radio for it to debut. The fact of the matter is, depending on who the manager is an artist can still be consider major without being traditionally signed to a record label.

 

[Easy-E]

I've only heard chances music on the radio in Chicago. I heard no problems maybe once outside of it because he set up a campaign on his website that automatically sent requests to local stations.

That wouldn't be necessary if he was signed. At all.

His connections come from him having amazing management

Yea, he doesn't need the industry...but, two album have been Apple ("The Industry") exclusives.

Yea, that pales in comparison to radio play.

I didn't post that vid to make a statement about Chance's radio play. My problem is the way the industry has monopolized all the avenues to listeners. And, in Chance case, their artists are even posting as indy. Just as streaming is getting big; the labels will get rid of the CD and move to get rid of even downloading and having local copies of mp3 to strictly streaming.

Don't be fooled because GOOD Music, Maybach Music, Cash Money, etc. aren't attached to them. Those aren't even real labels anyway. If you follow the chain up, you find the real power and the ppl I'm actually concerned about.

Chill, I have nothing against Chance. I think the practice of covering guys like him as indy, is wrong.

 

[TheRtist]

cool story. I need them receipts breh. Links that show blogs flipping out over Overly Dedicated and early Kendrick work

26) 2010 Best Mixtapes: Kendrick Lamar – ‘Overly Dedicated’ Vibe

it was listed in Vibe magazines top mixtapes of 2010

 

[cdaw]

No that would be Drake

People keep forgetting this.

Drake was making trash mixtapes with old beats until he "found his sound" 12 months later

 

[Easy-E]

This mixtape actually had people paying $100 for it, and even bought it

THIS is independent.

This dude ain't all on the late night shows. And doing records with Kanye, Drake, etc.

Rick Ross messed with him because he was trying to sign him.

 

[SirBiatch]

26) 2010 Best Mixtapes: Kendrick Lamar – ‘Overly Dedicated’ Vibe

it was listed in Vibe magazines top mixtapes of 2010

That's practically the ONLY link on the net

Breh, I already know about that shyt. In fact, I'm probably the first person to post that very link on The Coli. Somewhere in my posts last year. To demonstrate how Kendrick wasn't on any radar (nikkas were trying to act like he had a huge buzz in 2010, which is just ) 26th on the list of a magazine that had fallen off.

There's probably one more link talking about OD from some random person's blog. and that's it. No more coverage.

Hardly the "buzzing" mixtape that y'all pretend it was.

 

[Ghostface Trillah]

Chance doesn't have the sales or following to match the push that he's gotten. Advertisers only use people who have followings for commercials because they want their following to get the product.

Taylor Swift/Drake have an apple commercial. Two of the biggest artists in the world.

Chance the rapper has an apple commercial off of a mixtape and a kit kat commercial off of a album that would be considered a flop when you convert the streams to physical sales.

Dude is a plant with some good planters behind him.